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Post by ChrsgemATL on Jun 9, 2004 0:06:42 GMT
The thing is Buffy isn't Angels...he's with Nina now. The Girl in Question was to be the final word on their relationship -its over, time to move on. No reason for them to hook up now. Thats the problem with you Angel fanboys. You want to do everything how you would do it not how the characters would. Edit: and to make it clear I was saying for all of this happen at the end of the season something right before the finale as im sure if we were to see a real series finale not the one the WB forced, Buffy would be back.
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Post by Drew on Jun 9, 2004 0:14:50 GMT
Thats the problem with you Angel fanboys. You want to do everything how you would do it not how the characters would. I really don't think Angel and Buffy as characters would hook up. I just don't think they can. He's not human. they can't have sex. and quite clearly, sex is everything. They have one of those relationships where the two people will always love one another. But it just can't work for so many simple and complicated reasons. And it breaks your heart. It breaks mine, I know it does. But that's life. You gotta move on. Strong is fighting. it's hard and it's painful and it's everyday.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 9, 2004 0:34:47 GMT
I really don't think Angel and Buffy as characters would hook up. I just don't think they can. He's not human. they can't have sex. and quite clearly, sex is everything. They have one of those relationships where the two people will always love one another. But it just can't work for so many simple and complicated reasons. And it breaks your heart. It breaks mine, I know it does. But that's life. You gotta move on. Strong is fighting. it's hard and it's painful and it's everyday. you know, I have to wonder....with all that Angel has been through....Connor, Darla, the death of Doyle, Cordy, Wes, Fred, Gunn....would he be able to achieve that perfect moment simply by boffing the Buff? I'm not it would have the same effect as it had in Buffy S2. He may be able to rail the hell out of her at this point. Just saying. I'm still violently opposed to getting them together.
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Post by ChrsgemATL on Jun 9, 2004 1:06:04 GMT
What do you mean they wouldnt hook up?? Did you watch the show?? THEY DID! ANd would keep hooking up if it wasnt for that pesky soul, which I dont think would bother them now. Which is why you would have to do something that no matter what Angel does he will never loose his soul again. Ya know, I think thats an idea that should be explored, without spliting the two. Theres just enough Angel/Angelus moments you can take and the fact is that in reality someone would say he lets find a way to keep that soul in there! Maybe even give him some spell or device as a xmas gift. LoL i know I would.
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Post by Drew on Jun 9, 2004 1:12:40 GMT
I'm not saying that they don't want to hook up. I'm saying that they won't get what they want.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 9, 2004 1:16:24 GMT
What do you mean they wouldnt hook up?? I mean, they would not pursue a relationship together. Sorry if that was unclear. Yes. Did you? I liked Season 5 a lot. Especially "The girl in question" where they had their final word on Angel and Buffy: "time to move on". Yes, "did", as in past tense, as in, "no longer applies". It's over now.
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Post by Dismas on Jun 9, 2004 4:11:09 GMT
I've been busy a few days so I'm probably not on the same page as everyone else yet. I hope I don't pull us backwards. Here's yet another way to get things started, modifying other people's good ideas. In the first episode start with a flashback (not a dream) to a happier time with the whole gang together laughing, talking, and enjoying each other's company. Then, when each of the characters says something we focus on them for a moment and show a quick series of brutal flashes of their sad fate. The audience needs a reminder of how much tragedy they experienced last year. It'll show only the briefest moments of the battle. Maybe like this: In the happy scene, smiling with Fred in his arms, Wesley says something witty and then *flash* we see him cradling Fred as she dies *flash* being stabbed by Vail *flash* bleeding and dying... *flash* Returning to the happy scene, Gunn's bragging and demonstrating his fighting techniques then *flash* he's fighting for his life against a swarm of creatures *flash* throwing himself on a demon's sword to save Angel *flash* Spike...trying to reach Gunn and failing...getting impaled against a wall by and blacking out as the battle washes past by leaving him for dead Fred....dying as Fred....fighting as Illyria...snatched up by the dragon's mouth, carried high and dropped through a building, passing out away from the battle. Angel... ? You get the idea. The details don't really matter.
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Post by Jaxxson on Jun 9, 2004 9:33:33 GMT
I've been busy a few days so I'm probably not on the same page as everyone else yet. I hope I don't pull us backwards. Here's yet another way to get things started, modifying other people's good ideas. In the first episode start with a flashback (not a dream) to a happier time with the whole gang together laughing, talking, and enjoying each other's company. Then, when each of the characters says something we focus on them for a moment and show a quick series of brutal flashes of their sad fate. The audience needs a reminder of how much tragedy they experienced last year. It'll show only the briefest moments of the battle. Maybe like this: In the happy scene, smiling with Fred in his arms, Wesley says something witty and then *flash* we see him cradling Fred as she dies *flash* being stabbed by Vail *flash* bleeding and dying... *flash* Returning to the happy scene, Gunn's bragging and demonstrating his fighting techniques then *flash* he's fighting for his life against a swarm of creatures *flash* throwing himself on a demon's sword to save Angel *flash* Spike...trying to reach Gunn and failing...getting impaled against a wall by and blacking out as the battle washes past by leaving him for dead Fred....dying as Fred....fighting as Illyria...snatched up by the dragon's mouth, carried high and dropped through a building, passing out away from the battle. Angel... ? You get the idea. The details don't really matter. I like the idea of the Flashbacks and happy beging but there is only one propblem if we kill everyone off who will star in season six
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Post by Dismas on Jun 9, 2004 21:47:51 GMT
I guess I wasn't very clear. I didn't say Illyria and Spike die in the battle. They were defeated but not killed. Illyria would survive the fall, barely. I can't think of a very good way to knock Spike out of the battle without killing him, except to hit him with something only a vampire could survive. Maybe a big metal spike could impale him (yay puns) while the other beasts go after Angel. Like I said, I haven't worked out the details.
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Post by Jaxxson on Jun 9, 2004 21:55:31 GMT
oh i misread it reading it a second time it looks like spike and Illyira do live one question dose the deman army think that spike and Illyria are dead and leave them alone and just go for angel
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Post by Inyan on Jun 10, 2004 18:43:32 GMT
Going with the "what happens if you buck the system and it collapses...what do you do?" theme. . . So Angel no longer has the reward of the Shanshu to keep him fighting. Ive had a thought about the whole Shanshu/Angel/Angelus thing. I think it would be a kind of cruel irony if Angelus becomes human; sort of makes the sacrificae Angel made all the more tragic.. The human Angelus could also be a good idea for the big bad of the season. I think it would also bring Angel and Spike a little closer. Just a thought Inyan
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Post by Inyan on Jun 10, 2004 18:57:02 GMT
Hey,
There's another thing I just thought of, I don't know if its been explored.
Does Angel keep the exrta power that he got from drinking Hamiltons blood?
Could be quite funny if he's got to get used to the extra strength, like he picks up a glass ang breaks it or tries to open a car door and pulls it off etc.
And speaking of cars what happened to Angels old car would be great for it to make a return; a kind of " back to the floor" kind of thing.
Inyan
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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 19:32:01 GMT
Hey, There's another thing I just thought of, I don't know if its been explored. Does Angel keep the exrta power that he got from drinking Hamiltons blood? Could be quite funny if he's got to get used to the extra strength, like he picks up a glass ang breaks it or tries to open a car door and pulls it off etc. And speaking of cars what happened to Angels old car would be great for it to make a return; a kind of " back to the floor" kind of thing. Inyan No ones really brought up Hamiltons blood before. I don't think he would keep his increased power, but it might slowly wear off over time...but only for the first 4 episodes or so, then he would be returned to normal. It makes sense that if he has so much power in the blood that it would take a while to get out of his system.
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Post by Drew on Jun 10, 2004 21:26:32 GMT
I'm against using small details from last season like Angel drinking Hamilton's blood as major plot points of the new season. It just brings in too much serialization - and while I love serialization - too much can really hurt the quality of a show. New seasons should just hinge on major things from the past, not small details. Just my opinion. I think we should forget the SP blood.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 21:37:51 GMT
I'm against using small details from last season like Angel drinking Hamilton's blood as major plot points of the new season. It just brings in too much serialization - and while I love serialization - too much can really hurt the quality of a show. New seasons should just hinge on major things from the past, not small details. Just my opinion. I think we should forget the SP blood. To clarify, I never wanted it to be a plot point in any way. I thought it would just be a nice little detail to throw out there to emphasis exactly how much power Hamilton -and then Angel- had and give a better perspective on what kind of scale last years big battle was on. I thought it might be cool to see him "crash" in the first couple of episodes, similar to how drinking conners blood messed with him in S3, but not as a major plot point here, but more for comic effect. I guess its really all dependent on on how much time takes place between the final frame of last season and our first of this season though.
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Post by Drew on Jun 10, 2004 22:13:30 GMT
To clarify, I never wanted it to be a plot point in any way. I thought it would just be a nice little detail to throw out there to emphasis exactly how much power Hamilton -and then Angel- had and give a better perspective on what kind of scale last years big battle was on. I can see that maybe. It would have to have some unpleasant effects, too, I think.
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Post by Inyan on Jun 11, 2004 22:34:23 GMT
Returning to the whole Hamiltons blood thing. if you think of it logically Vampirism is just a mutation of demon and human blood/DNA. Now knowing that hamiltons blood has the blood of the senior partners, which im assuming are some pretty powerful demons, in it; then surely the more powerful mutagen would have some sort of added mutation effect??? So heres just a thought. Lets have the added strenght fade some what, but lets give sunlight back to Angel! He lost soo much in S5, Fred, Wes, Gunn, Lorne and Shanshu, lets make him able to go out in sunlight now. It wont be all sunshine and roses( Forgive the pun ). We could do an episode were he accidently discovers this and is all happy, wearing hawain shirts and shorts in the sunlight etc. But at the end of the episode he comes to a realization that this is the closest to human he will ever come, and its not close enough.
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Post by Inyan on Jun 11, 2004 22:35:17 GMT
About Grace: Assuming these are the final episodes we will want to have some contrasting/reflecting season one themes ala BTVS S7. Going with that I think grace should be completely human but her value/power/strength is her knowledge. Being a former PTB one would assume that she knows how tings are supposed to turn out. I think she should be the oldest power and the added influence/power affect all the other PTB but not her, and she sees the danger in this. THis is why she comes down to earth. Heres the twist though; here human shel isnt strong enough to handle all her knowlede at once so it builds up bit by bit, coming to her in flashed much like the early Doyle/Cordy visions. This forces her to go through the pain Cordy experienced and makes her understand the huge sacrifice Cordy made. I just want to mention here that with the death of Gunn we have a all white cast, so how about Lucy Lui for grace?
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Post by Inyan on Jun 11, 2004 22:44:38 GMT
Had this idea for a new character;
How about a really ancient, but hot, ( Thinking Jessica Alba) female vampire who went through the trials 1000 years before Spike and now has a soul??? Why can't there be a female vamp with a soul?
My thinking is that with the loss of gunn were gonna need more muscle.
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 12, 2004 0:08:57 GMT
Returning to the whole Hamiltons blood thing. if you think of it logically Vampirism is just a mutation of demon and human blood/DNA. Now knowing that hamiltons blood has the blood of the senior partners, which im assuming are some pretty powerful demons, in it; then surely the more powerful mutagen would have some sort of added mutation effect??? So heres just a thought. Lets have the added strenght fade some what, but lets give sunlight back to Angel! He lost soo much in S5, Fred, Wes, Gunn, Lorne and Shanshu, lets make him able to go out in sunlight now. It wont be all sunshine and roses( Forgive the pun ). We could do an episode were he accidently discovers this and is all happy, wearing hawain shirts and shorts in the sunlight etc. But at the end of the episode he comes to a realization that this is the closest to human he will ever come, and its not close enough. Angel with a tan ? ugh.
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