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Post by Joss on Jun 23, 2004 22:36:59 GMT
Maybe that's another way to highlight the chaos - have lots of cults start showing up and doing wierd stuff. Yeah, maybe they could have like episode 6 dealing entirely with a cult and then in the teaser for episode 18 we could have Spike say something like "That's the twentieth cult we disperse this month!" or something like that.
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Post by chris on Jun 23, 2004 23:14:37 GMT
However, what if she kills something in self-defense. Someone who was trying to kill her. It might be a bit more interesting to make her a victim at first. Especially if we play that up at the beginning. That would really throw the audience off. I like that. I really like that. The victim who turns into the killer. She could kill in self defence but then realise how much she enjoys herself when she did it.
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Post by LizaP on Jun 24, 2004 6:38:46 GMT
She would be an example of that idea of demons being human - killing in self defense raised the demon in her.
Which would work also with all sorts of crime, if you think about it. Might be a good subject for a stand alone episode.
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Post by ThePowersThatBe on Jun 28, 2004 4:11:08 GMT
Here's what I'd like to see for a standalone episode: Spike.
He went through an arduous journey in Buffy, got his soul back, became one of the "good guys" for real, then died a hero's death.
Then, semmingly as fan-service (not that I mind too much, as he is one of my fave characters), he's tagged onto the Angel cast. The problem is, they went an entire 22 episodes with him, but I never felt they ever gave a real *reason* for him to continue to be there, other than as a comedic foil for Angel.
Now that it's been agreed that Shanshu is basically out of the picture, why is Spike still haunting Angel?
He fought the good fight, and continues to do so, but I'd really like to know WHY. Other than constant mentions that he has a soul, it's hard to tell that because his behavior has more or less returned to what it was in his pre-soul days. There's a very obvious behavioral difference between Angel and Angelus, and, I think, a very real reason why souled Spike is not so different from de-souled William the Bloody.
Andrew would be a good character to add into such an ep, as he has seen the much tamer side of Spike. You could even make it a humorous ep (my fave, anyway), sort of like the Buffy where Andrew was interviewing everyone for his docu "Buffy, the Slayer of the VamPires." Only instead of interviews, it could be like Andrew playing Spike's Freud, trying to get at the heart of exactly why he acts the way he does (and examining Spike's relationship with his mother, tee-hee).
I know it'd be a challenge to set up, but it could finally give us a raison-d'etre for Spike.
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Post by ThePowersThatBe on Jun 28, 2004 4:16:40 GMT
Also, on the subject of Andrew, having him show up after losing a slayer, smacks of Wesley. I think it'd be more in character (and funnier) if he lost a slayer in a more literal sense. Like, Giles put him on assignment to train one (or maybe 2 or 3?) slayers, and they decided that he was such a dork, that they just kind of ostracized him, and went about their merry way. Then Andrew, way to embarrassed to return to Giles or any of the old crew, turns to Angel and Co., hoping to be accepted.
Well, anyway, there's my two cents.
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Post by LizaP on Jun 28, 2004 15:52:17 GMT
Can I say I really, really like this idea .....
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Post by Joss on Jun 28, 2004 22:47:20 GMT
Can I say I really, really like this idea ..... Precisley my thoughts. More thoughts: Back in "A Hole in the World" Angel was trying to send Spike on a one-way trip to fight the good fight... in outer Mongolia. Spike was pretty much thrilled, but later on he says someting like: " I am not going Angel. I am needed here. The end is approaching, both you and I feel it." and the end did come and it was beautiful, but were past that. So now Spike is hanging around because... what? He doesn't have the money to return to England? He's too much of a chicken to talk to Buffy and tell her "Whaddya know, seems I didn't die"? So I like the idea that one day andrew just begins to play the part of a psychologist and begin to interpret Spike, see what makes him tick. Maybe some kind of a combination between "Storyteller" and "Lies my Parents told Me". Could be one of the standalones in the first arc. Man, we are really having a hard time crakcing Spike.
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Post by Drew on Jun 28, 2004 23:51:13 GMT
Yeah, I guess since we're going with the idea that the apocalypse has been prevented, they don't have to worry about that anymore. So I like that this sort of thing would come in the first arc of the season.
And if we might be going with the Demon Shelter, I'm thinking Spike probably wouldn't want to work there. Maybe he might be forced to because he has no other job (but Spike always found some way to get money w/o a job) - I think mostly he sold kittens.
A pet store! Spike should work in a pet store this season. Thread closed. ;D
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Post by Joss on Jun 28, 2004 23:54:18 GMT
Allright:
First off: We might as well have Angel become a fashion model if we are going to have Spike open a pet store.
Second, Who gave you the authority to close threads.
Third, this thread is to discuss episode ideas, not the financial accounts of the characters (that one will open next week)
Fourth, this post was all a joke, have mercy on my soul ;D
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Post by ThePowersThatBe on Jun 29, 2004 2:38:57 GMT
So I like the idea that one day andrew just begins to play the part of a psychologist and begin to interpret Spike, see what makes him tick. Maybe some kind of a combination between "Storyteller" and "Lies my Parents told Me". Actually, that pretty much sums up the idea, with just a splash of "Conversations with Dead People" thrown in.
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Post by Joss on Jun 29, 2004 2:49:19 GMT
lol, good to know I actually hit the nail once in a while
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Post by Inyan on Jul 3, 2004 15:20:55 GMT
Right guys im thinking that since TSOTBT is gone theres this huge power gap.
Enter this really powerfull entity. Its like one rung down from PTB (sorta like The power that wish they were?), however its far from nuetral. It also watches mankind like the powers but really hates us.
So it does some research on us and chooses a body that looks completely normal. I mean really really normal. So normal its weird, like Brady Bunch normal. And for his name he chooses the most common names out there.
So Muhammed Chen corporealises in a downtown LA demon bar and immediately makes his presence felt by wiping out all but one demon ( to tell the story, of course ). And he spends the rest of the ep setting up his new powerhouse demon empire.
Now Muhammed has screwed up a bit and made himself a real human body, plus some really awsome magical/mind contol/david blaine type powers.
Now we are all used to our senses and know how to control the bodys impulses, Muhammed is not. Everything he senses is new and extremelly overwhelming to him.
Just as it looks like Muhammed is going to be a really big pain in the neck for the Gang. He eats a coffee liquire chocolate and the sensory overload kills him.
Meanwhile the gang has gotten wind of Muhammeds exploits and are on the way to deal with him.
The ep ends with the gang fighting through Muhammeds new underling in an effort to get to the chamber were the man himself is. After much death and dismemberment ( Im thinking "Crazy 88" sorta thing here ) they break into the chamber just in time to see Muhammed writhing in pain and die.
Could be quite an hillarious moment, im thinking Spike would say something like, " Must of heard I was comeing ", or something to that effect.
Inyan
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Post by chris on Jul 3, 2004 21:34:26 GMT
I quite like that idea, the fact that they have gone through a big fight to get to a 'big bad' only for him to be already dead through something trivial is cool. The tension could be really built up. showing the viewer how powerful he is then puff he's gone!
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Post by Joss on Jul 3, 2004 22:06:41 GMT
I also like it a lot. I like the idea that a huge God-like demon would try to take advantage of the situation and try to attack the world.
But what I really like is that Angel and Spike would get mind of him, attack his HQ, battle a huge group a la Kill Bill, and then finally reach the guy and... he's dead by some really mundane thing.
Oh, the comedic posssibilities that this would give to Spike.
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Post by Inyan on Jul 4, 2004 10:28:56 GMT
Yay!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Im glad to finally come up with something other people like!
I was thinking the scenes were Muhammed is organizing his empire could kinda be Godfather - ish.
I was thinking Dave Foley ( of News Radio ) to play Muhammed. I think he partrays the right image of really mind boggling, dull, ordinaryness.
Im glad the idea of tension came accross. I really want it to be edge of the seat stuff. I even want an into the fray speach from Angel.
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Post by chris on Jul 4, 2004 21:39:18 GMT
Yeah wicked idea! Would love a Kill Bill fight scene, get the gang kicking serious arse. Let them do some real butt kicking and let it all be for nothing!
Also could make his death really dramatic and over the top, not fitting in with the mode of his death.
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Post by Joss on Jul 4, 2004 21:45:20 GMT
One thing tho, we gotta be real careful on how we write this. Becasue it may look like we wrote ourselves to a corner and then were like:
"So... who do they defeat this guy"
"...."
"Anyone?"
(group shrug)
"Ah whatever, let's just kill him off with a cup o' coffee"
We don't want this to happen.
But if done correctly we could have this really weird ( I mean that in a good way) and wacky episode that coud be nothing short of brilliant.
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Post by Inyan on Jul 5, 2004 17:38:18 GMT
Actually the idea was to kill him off with a chocolate with coffee liquire inside. Its meant to be a totally weird and unexpected thing. The whole KB fight scene is the entire point of the episode, by the time they get to him hes dead. [glow=red,2,300]DEATH BY CHOCOLATE[/glow]
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Post by Joss on Jul 5, 2004 17:53:54 GMT
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. you mis-understood me. I am all for killing the guy with a bag of Hershey's Kisses(TM) but we want to make it look like that was the intention all along. We don't want people to think that we were just too lazy to think of a good death so we just give him adeath by chocolate.
We want people to understand that that was the idea all along, not that we were too lazy to come up with a way for Spike and Angel to kill the guy.
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Post by Everlong on Jul 5, 2004 21:28:23 GMT
How about instead of killing him with a coffee liquer how about he gets the flu or some kind of common virus for which the body he has created for himself has no natural defense for. Then it would cleverly look like a homage to War of the Worlds and look like we planned it all along.
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