Dismas
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Post by Dismas on Jun 10, 2004 0:00:38 GMT
Bring Eve back if we have a good idea of what to do with her. If we don't, who cares if she's alive or dead?
Andrew, losing a slayer, parallels Angel because they both took people who were their responsibility and got them killed.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 0:46:56 GMT
We dont do this "split" until later in the season. We make Illyria's journey first. her learning more, adapting to this world etc. she is slowly starting to "feel" and have feelings and is somewhat coming to terms with her existence on this plain. then the "split" hits the fan. heh heh ;D And the conclusion is that yeah, Fred knows what will happen, but she still wants to kill her. what Im getting at is Illyria' struggle. she becomes more of a part of the group, we begin to feel for her. she becomes one of the "good guys" in essence then later on Fred comes back....dark. and she kills her. Much like Illyria(when she was the "bad guy") killed Fred(the "good guy") and took over her body kinda ironic and kinda poetically just I always assumed we'd wait til about midseason to do the split. I like the idea of Fred wanting to kill her, knowing full well the consequences. I vote yes on that idea -although I think its already been mentioned. I don't think I'd want her to suceed though, but it could work. Thoughts?
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Post by daeknaj on Jun 10, 2004 3:43:06 GMT
Hello...new to the board here...but I just had to chime in and remind everyone of the Joss rule that people who die by magical means usually arent really 'dead', and so one would almost have to assume that would have to include Wesley...if not possibly Gunn as well, but certainly Wesley as he died by magic at the hand of Vail.....just something to think about
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Post by daeknaj on Jun 10, 2004 3:48:04 GMT
Apologies....I just read your rulebook, and I hope my comment wasn't out of place, but I still must disagree about there being no Wesley....or at least not a hint of a return for him......that was a number one rule of Joss' and to remain true, would it not be proper to have at least a hint of a possible return for him?
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Dismas
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Post by Dismas on Jun 10, 2004 3:52:52 GMT
I don't think Wesley's death was magical, since a knife did the deed.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 4:19:56 GMT
Hello...new to the board here...but I just had to chime in and remind everyone of the Joss rule that people who die by magical means usually arent really 'dead', and so one would almost have to assume that would have to include Wesley...if not possibly Gunn as well, but certainly Wesley as he died by magic at the hand of Vail.....just something to think about Actually, the mystical wound Wes suffered wasn't the killing blow, but instead the dagger was -which is considered a "natural" death just as Tara's by a gun in Buffy. I hate that Wes is dead, he was my favorite character, but I don't see him coming back. BTW, welcome to the board! ;D
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 10, 2004 6:05:12 GMT
Doylei i think itd be good drama if that was basically how the illryia thing went about. I dont see them co - exisiting
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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 6:58:48 GMT
Doylei i think itd be good drama if that was basically how the illryia thing went about. I dont see them co - exisiting Well, I guess since this is going to be the last season, it may be great end to Fred's character arc. When we first see her she is a loon, and then by the end of the season she is basically "mad" and suicical (wanting to kill Illy, knowing that it would take her out too), so maybe its a fitting ending....albeit tragic. We all know that Joss likes to return the characters full circle before taking them out (see Wesly, see Gunn) so this may be the best possible thing we can do. If we do go this route, then I say have it happen toward the very, very end of the season, like the last few episodes somewhere...
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 10, 2004 7:03:59 GMT
ITA I think a majority of the season shold be Illyria adapting and what not and then being taken out by fred, much like Fred was when Leery was "evil"
btw- Im starting to think certain things should be discussed in secret, or it aint gonna be fun for the readers'. I think whoever the staff is, and Im not saying that Im a part of it (but would like to) should figure that out
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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 7:10:39 GMT
btw- Im starting to think certain things should be discussed in secret, or it aint gonna be fun for the readers'. I think whoever the staff is, and Im not saying that Im a part of it (but would like to) should figure that out I agree 100%, but unfortunately our fearless leader is unable to log on and he didn't leave me the kind of "power" to set something up like that myself. I've mentioned this a few times myself, but no one seems all that concerned with it.
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 10, 2004 7:15:02 GMT
well, Im concerned.
Ive also notcied theres about 50 members and there only seems to be a handful that regularly post.kinda sux
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Post by Drew on Jun 10, 2004 7:47:29 GMT
Well, I guess since this is going to be the last season, it may be great end to Fred's character arc. When we first see her she is a loon, and then by the end of the season she is basically "mad" and suicical (wanting to kill Illy, knowing that it would take her out too), so maybe its a fitting ending....albeit tragic. We all know that Joss likes to return the characters full circle before taking them out (see Wesly, see Gunn) so this may be the best possible thing we can do. If we do go this route, then I say have it happen toward the very, very end of the season, like the last few episodes somewhere... This seems like it might negate the surprise that Fred knows it would kill her. I think there's more suspense if she tries to kill Illyria and then the MoG find out that it will kill both and try to stop her. I like the idea that this would happen soon after their split and then their arc would involve lots of tension because they have to coexist, even though they both probably want to kill the other. And this could set up stories where Illyria is about to do something terrible and the only way to stop her is for some guest star to threaten to kill Fred. Hell, it could go both ways. Fred could try and kill Illyria at the beginning, then Angel and Co. save her, bring her back from doing something so dark as to kill Illyria and herself. Then Fred goes through a rehabilitation period through the rest of the season - you know, with the tension. And it almost gets to the point where you think that - hey, Fred and Illyria might even be able to work together. And then bang! surprise! something happens and fred still kills Illyria and herself. That's going with the theme of no happiness - so close, but it's ruined.
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Post by Jaxxson on Jun 10, 2004 8:01:34 GMT
well, Im concerned. Ive also notcied theres about 50 members and there only seems to be a handful that regularly post.kinda sux and out of that 50 only 25 have posts
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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 8:22:44 GMT
and out of that 50 only 25 have posts Well as a Mod, I do have the power to "banish" people.. Better start posting is all I'm saying.... J/K Most message boards are like this though. Your going to have a lot more lurkers than participants. It only sucks when you're doing something like this where the losing the element of surprise can and will hurt you. I'm hoping we go to a private board when Joss gets back. We have a pretty good idea of who the "writing" staff will likely be at this point....those who are actually taking the time to interact.
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Post by chris on Jun 10, 2004 13:33:43 GMT
Hi guys, My first post!! Just wanted to say I love the idea for closing Fred's story. Think if done right it could be really moving. Also with all the death in season 5 I don't think even Angel could just dust off and carry on, it would be good to see consequences. He's known some of these people for a long time and I know I thought it was a shame cordy was hardly mentioned after Your Welcome. Just think now he's lost most of his team it would be good to see an episode or two with him trying to deal with the loss of friends. Don't know what you guys think, just ideas in my head! Hope this is the first of many post!!
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Post by Drew on Jun 10, 2004 21:59:09 GMT
Hi guys, My first post!! Just wanted to say I love the idea for closing Fred's story. Think if done right it could be really moving. Also with all the death in season 5 I don't think even Angel could just dust off and carry on, it would be good to see consequences. He's known some of these people for a long time and I know I thought it was a shame cordy was hardly mentioned after Your Welcome. Just think now he's lost most of his team it would be good to see an episode or two with him trying to deal with the loss of friends. Don't know what you guys think, just ideas in my head! Hope this is the first of many post!! Totally agree! I just posted in the Characters thread "up in the air" about how it seems a big theme of this season is becoming Angel dealing with the guilt and loss stemming from last season. And we've got parallel feelings of loss in the form of: Andrew (and the story of losing a slayer) Oz (who may possibly lose his Werewolves anonymous group) Groo (who may take issue with Angel losing Cordy) and Grace (who has lost her status as a Power) The first three issue at least aren't set in stone, but I'm liking them. I think we definitely have a lot for Angel to brood about. Welcome to the board
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Post by Dismas on Jun 11, 2004 0:07:39 GMT
Welcome chris. Here are a couple random episode ideas.
A witch puts a hex on Angel compelling him to obey any command, to Spike's delight.
Angel tries to resurrect Angel Investigations, but no one on his team can program an answering machine. They place a Help Wanted advertisment to find an intern. Applicants range from bewildered college students to brown-nosing hellspawn.
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 11, 2004 0:13:30 GMT
LoL. maybe Andrew can apply. But personally, Id like to see Angel Investigations be a failure. Id even like to see the Hyperion demolished, as a result of the deal they made with W&H and how it played out. Id like to see these 2 vampires hafta start from scratch like theyve done many timews before
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Post by LizaP on Jun 11, 2004 6:55:42 GMT
Angel Investigations is a goner and may it RIP. They are so far beyond that now - resurrecting it would be like going back to a monster/vision of the week and all the characters not to mention the ideas so far have the guys & Illyria past that.
I'm trying to think of creative ways to pull an apocalypse out of chaos. Still working on it.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 11, 2004 8:27:15 GMT
I think its possible that Angel would try to restart AI. And I think it would have to fail. It would maybe make for a nice one off story where he is trying to find his place in the world now.
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