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Post by Drew on Jun 7, 2004 7:09:26 GMT
Hey, I'm kinda bored right now, and I don't really have any ideas at the moment for any of the other things. I also don't know if we're ready for this thread. And I, in no way, want it to detract from the broader discussions right now - which are more important at the moment.
Anyway, Angel has lots of standalone episodes usually. These episodes are often very metaphorical in nature. The entire show is, really.
So any ideas for standalone episodes, put 'em in here.
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 7, 2004 7:17:30 GMT
like Ive said b4, about my Oz idea.
if he were to fit in. he cant come to LA and warn Angel, which some suggested, cuz that makes no sense. hed have to have a standalone
my idea was that Nina came back from wherever Angel sent her. Shes now attending WA(werewolf anonymous) classes and as her sponsor, Angel attends one of them, to see Oz is the guest speaker, whatever.
I know it sounds weird, I think it fits right into some of the more quirky things thatve happend in the verse.
So maybe something, revolving round the class could happen, yadda yadda, and the Oz transition could start from there
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Post by Drew on Jun 7, 2004 7:26:29 GMT
I actually think that's pretty funny. It is quirky, but would fit with the shows style. Now here's where I start saying that I'm not thrilled about having Nina return and Oz shouldn't be a regular but just a guest occasionally, maybe. And can you hold a WA class in the midst of chaos?
I'm regretting establishing this thread already. But I have.
So here's the ONLY RULE FOR THIS THREAD:
You can post ideas - anything. BUT those who reply to them cannot complain about things like how they don't want a certain character in the season or how that might not fit with the chaos thing. You know, what I just did above.
Hopefully, this will work. Once themes and main story arcs are established then we weed out or change whatever ideas don't work. Who knows, it's probably likely that we'll have to trash everything. ;D
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Post by Doyle on Jun 7, 2004 20:52:43 GMT
I would like to do a story with Eve seeking revenge on Angel for taking away all that she had left.
Think about it: she betrayed W&H (her entire purpose in life) to be with Lindsey who was betrayed and killed by Angel (through Lorne). I want a chance to clean up the loose ends with her and Sirk. I can't give a proper "pitch" at this time as there are too many variables still "up in the air", but I would like the chance to prove that these characters are rich with potential and just need the right story.
They're both loose ends that really need to be resolved in some form. Do you really think Eve isn't going to try to take Angel out at this point?
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Post by Joss on Jun 7, 2004 23:57:27 GMT
Doyle,
that is a good idea for one of the epsidoes before we go into the major story arc for the season. It could be episode around 6-8, somewhere between the resolution of the "Who the hell they got out of the alley" episodes and the "Here comes the major conflict of the season" episodes. We could have it be a "Five by Five" type episode, without the whole psycho-slayer thing.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 8, 2004 4:32:33 GMT
Okay, here is a loose and vague pitch for the season opener.
We open 3 months after the alley battle where we find our gang struggling to find a new rhythm and purpose. Demon violence is down and there isn't much to do. The episode centers on the gang, still trying to adjust to being inactive most of the time and what to do with themselves. By the end of the episode, Angel comes to terms that maybe, they did in fact do the impossibe: "win". As he takes in that maybe he can find peace, or as much as he can with a deposed god and condescending, arrogant, loud-mouthed vampire in tow. Then we cut to a woman, Grace, who makes the startling revelation that the world is slated to end prematurely to what had already been written. End episode.
It tackles the theme of the season head on, while laying the foundation for the plot points of introducing and later integrating Grace into the core group as well as establishing the balance of good and evil is off.
Obviously, this is very loose and has yet to be fleshed out. This is more of an outline of the "important stuff".
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Post by LizaP on Jun 8, 2004 5:19:24 GMT
You know, one way to show the balance between good and evil is upset is to have one episode be nothing but good. Sort of like all the sickeningly sweet parts of various Disney movies so you know that it's not right or real, but it kind of could be. I'm sitll fleshing out the concept, but for there to be evil, there also has to be good.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 8, 2004 6:34:08 GMT
You know, one way to show the balance between good and evil is upset is to have one episode be nothing but good. Sort of like all the sickeningly sweet parts of various Disney movies so you know that it's not right or real, but it kind of could be. I'm sitll fleshing out the concept, but for there to be evil, there also has to be good. Actually we'll probably do something like that when they realize how messed up things have gotten. It'd be great to have them return from out of town/dimension to find L.A. has gone all "disney". lol
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Post by Jaxxson on Jun 8, 2004 6:45:58 GMT
I would like to see one Eps done as a reality/tv talkshow/cops type thing were you would have a deman follow angel around with a mic and camra and ask all sorts of question and have him interview people that we have seen over the years have it that the talkshow guy kepts getting in the way and driving angel nuts but in the mean time having the guy interview people like buffy, spike, the beast(i know his dead), darla, dru and so on and so on
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Post by Doyle on Jun 8, 2004 6:52:53 GMT
That could be a lot of fun and would allow for some great and perhaps unexpected cameos. Could be a nice conterpoint to "storyteller".
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Post by LizaP on Jun 8, 2004 7:01:08 GMT
Especially if the interviewers talked to both the people Angel helped, like Anne, and the ones he didn't - like the Fell Brotherhood. A twisted point/counterpoint kind of thing.
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Post by Drew on Jun 8, 2004 7:49:14 GMT
I could see the Cops idea as something that would come in the middle or later in the season.
I'm just going to restate an idea:
When we split Fred and Illyria, Fred comes back darker and wants to kill Illyria. So Fred, not Illyria becomes the major problem. But I think Fred and Illyria should be linked. If one dies, the other does, too. So Fred tries to go kill Illyria and then the rest of the gang figures out what will happen and they stop her. And when the do stop her, Fred tells them she already knows, she already figured out that killing Illyria would kill her. But she doesn't care. She doesn't care if she dies because so many terrible things have happened. I think it'd make for some pretty dramatic stuff.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 8, 2004 8:11:38 GMT
I'm just going to restate an idea: When we split Fred and Illyria, Fred comes back darker and wants to kill Illyria. So Fred, not Illyria becomes the major problem. But I think Fred and Illyria should be linked. If one dies, the other does, too. So Fred tries to go kill Illyria and then the rest of the gang figures out what will happen and they stop her. And when the do stop her, Fred tells them she already knows, she already figured out that killing Illyria would kill her. But she doesn't care. She doesn't care if she dies because so many terrible things have happened. I think it'd make for some pretty dramatic stuff. I love that.
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Post by Jaxxson on Jun 8, 2004 8:15:25 GMT
up until this point i didn't like the idea of spilting up fred and Illyira but if we do something on the lines of what you said then its going to be great
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Post by Joss on Jun 8, 2004 13:25:30 GMT
I would like to see one Eps done as a reality/tv talkshow/cops type thing were you would have a deman follow angel around with a mic and camra and ask all sorts of question and have him interview people that we have seen over the years have it that the talkshow guy kepts getting in the way and driving angel nuts but in the mean time having the guy interview people like buffy, spike, the beast(i know his dead), darla, dru and so on and so on I LOVE this idea. I think that it would be completly excelent to have this be one of the few episodes that will be completly comedic ala "Smile Time". But I love the idea of Angel being taken away to be a part of a demonic talk show where they can bring back the people that he has helped and/or killed. Kind of a demonic version of Oprah.
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 9, 2004 7:05:44 GMT
the splitting of Fred and Leery has to be extremely delicate. otherwise its gonna look like some sorta wacky twins story. Im pretty sure Eve is dead. and people, are we gonna talk about Gunn!?!?!?
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 9, 2004 7:12:25 GMT
oh yeah. what would be the conclusion of that? would we eventually Have a Fred AND an illyria just walking around chilling like viliians? ok, Idea(hamster wheel spinning) here me out We dont do this "split" until later in the season. We make Illyria's journey first. her learning more, adapting to this world etc. she is slowly starting to "feel" and have feelings and is somewhat coming to terms with her existence on this plain. then the "split" hits the fan. heh heh ;D And the conclusion is that yeah, Fred knows what will happen, but she still wants to kill her. what Im getting at is Illyria' struggle. she becomes more of a part of the group, we begin to feel for her. she becomes one of the "good guys" in essence then later on Fred comes back....dark. and she kills her. Much like Illyria(when she was the "bad guy") killed Fred(the "good guy") and took over her body kinda ironic and kinda poetically just
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Post by Doyle on Jun 9, 2004 8:01:10 GMT
the splitting of Fred and Leery has to be extremely delicate. otherwise its gonna look like some sorta wacky twins story. Im pretty sure Eve is dead. and people, are we gonna talk about Gunn!?!?!? There was absolutely no indication that Eve was killed. To write her off as such, is kind of lazy on our part. On the other hand, there is every indication that Gunn was going to be dead in like 10 minutes from where we left off. Fun Fact: An earlier draft of the finale had Gunn actually die on his way back to meet with everyone, but they decided to make it obvious he was going to die, but do it off camera to enforce the idea that "just because the camera stops rolling, doesnt mean the story does the same". Gunn is dead and if there was an official S6, I gurantee he would not be a part of it.
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Post by Drew on Jun 9, 2004 23:04:43 GMT
I think there needs to be an episode that deals with the all the loss of life that Angel has had to endure from Season Five. He lost Fred, Wes, and Gunn. And Lorne will never be the same. I think he should come into contact with someone or something that has experienced a lot of loss, too. I don't know how yet. Should be very metaphorical. The Andrew idea that is talked about in "up in the air" might work. If Andrew is training a Slayer and she dies under his watch, then that could be a good complement. More depth to Andrew too. It could be about how they are always going to lose the people they love or whatever. I'm getting sappy.
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 9, 2004 23:14:47 GMT
umm, so did U guys read my last post ? ? ? The Fred/illyria thing.
having Eve dead isnt "lazy" at all. the building was collapsing and she said "go where?" pretty much indicating she wanted to die. besides, shes not important in the least IMO
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