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Post by ChrsgemATL on Jun 6, 2004 1:16:32 GMT
So many good ideas.
Looks like the question is either to have chaos and apoclypse spread thoughout the world starting in LA or to go about having intervention? I think intervention would be best in the begining but I dont think we should drop the option that has been brought up of having the apoclypse start and chaos spreading through the world. I think that should be brought into play later in the season. Kinda like the SP last ditch effort or something.
I vote that Angel and Angeles seperating is a good idea and that would work out perfectly if the SP used that to thier advanatage.
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Post by Drew on Jun 6, 2004 2:04:21 GMT
The whole Angelus and Angel seperating thing has definitely been nixxed already.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 6, 2004 2:09:58 GMT
I don't think we can thrust L.A. into utter chaos as that card was already played in S4.
Drew's right, we nixed the Angel/Angelus seperation ages ago. We definitely don't want to bog this new season down by being repetitive or worse yet, redundant.
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Post by IAMCHRSGEMATL on Jun 8, 2004 18:20:13 GMT
I was thinking about the Buffyverse and all the themes both shows have delt with over the years. Ive come to the conclusion that no matter what happens theres one constant theme. THERE IS NO HAPPINESS! Let me explain:
Angel and Buffy sleep together reaffirming how they feel about one another. Bliss, but moments after Angel loses his soul and goes pyscho.
Giles and Jenny Calander on the night they are to consumate thier relationship, and at a stage that all the fans were happy to see until Angelus kills her and tortues giles with.
Joyce after battling a tumor is out of the hosp and back on her feet. She even goes on a date and the next day gets flowers indicating shes finally found someone. Then she dies moments later on the couch.
Willow after being seperated from Tara for months finally has her back they are happy and in love. The day after they get back toghether she is murdered in front of Willow.
On the same day Xander and Buffy make up just to get shot.
Buffy after finally getting ready to defeat Angelus, Willows spell works and Angel is back. They have a happy moment only for Buffy to ultimatly kill him and send a soul filled Angel to hell.
Xander and Anya - Duh.
Oz getting things under control with his wolfing. Finds out the girl he came back for is a lesbian.
Cordy starts to really really like Doyle and then he has to kill himself to safe others. Giving her the visions.
Cordy and Angel on two occasions. One where Angel is finally happy and about to tell Cordy how he feels and things his son is finally comming around. Cordy goes up to the powers while Angel gets locked away for months under the sea by his son.
Gunn - thinking hes happy with the lawyer powers because hes someone, just to find out that he sentanced his ex and good friend Fred to death.
Wesley and Lilah. Well bad example but how about Wesley and Fred. Pefrect happiness, they even sang a song about it and boom! Well you know what happens.
The point of this list is that since we are doing things like the big bois at ME would do it then I say that what ever plots come along for season six they need to have this element in them. If we are to make anyone happy it needs to be taken away either right away or an episode later as thats how Joss and the rest did it. It works with the premise of the show and since this is going to be hectic season I think we will need some shocks like the ones above. Well not all were shocks but some were very much so. Problem is how are we going to pull any of them off? All the characters are dead and unless we introduce some new characters, maybe a girl for Spike or something and then take her away. But just a thought on how the tone should be and what elements to use.
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Post by Jaxxson on Jun 11, 2004 10:59:31 GMT
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Post by Doyle on Jun 11, 2004 11:14:41 GMT
i know this is offtopic but i didn't want to make a new thread what happen with the other threads in the conflict board They have been moved to either "ideas", "Characters", or "Discussions" where they belonged.
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Post by Jaxxson on Jun 11, 2004 11:20:48 GMT
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Post by Doyle on Jun 11, 2004 11:22:12 GMT
O ok i was thinking that there might be a bug in the system well then thats good keep up the good work and youll earn a gold star or mabey two W00T! ;D
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Post by chris on Jun 11, 2004 12:14:33 GMT
I don't think we can thrust L.A. into utter chaos as that card was already played in S4. That's what I was thinking, so what about a new spin on the idea of chaos. Make it more personal, inside people's minds. I was talking about this on the 'big bad' board but it could be chaos on a different level to people running around on the streets. More like chaos in relationships, a lack of trust in friends and family, doctors loosing faith in their abilities to treat people. That would move us away from people running up and down the streets like in season 4. It could also be quite dark. Chaos for Angel could be personalised into loss and his loss of faith in his ability to save the people he loves....
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Post by LizaP on Jun 12, 2004 7:18:54 GMT
I agree with Chris - chaos works really well when it's internalized ( I'd throw in my previous posts but ... not) and when it takes a while to recognize it as chaos.
And losing the people you love throws your life into turmoil especially when you lose several of them in a short span of time.
It's time for Angel to make new alliances and I think an alliance with both the Alan Tudyk character and the Grace character will provide some good chaos, since the AT and Grace characters are becoming opposites.
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Post by Drew on Jun 12, 2004 7:32:10 GMT
The internalization of the chaos is good, i think. It brings about the issue of self-doubt and letting go of your life and letting it spin out of control. Then, if this Good Apocalypse thing goes the way we are talking about it, everyone will be empowered with - uh - power - you know, their own power.
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Post by LizaP on Jun 12, 2004 7:38:52 GMT
Power - like the ability to recognize evil and demons and all that? Or power as in knowing the fight is what matters and not necessarily the outcome? That kind of power?
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Post by Drew on Jun 12, 2004 7:48:45 GMT
Power - like the ability to recognize evil and demons and all that? Or power as in knowing the fight is what matters and not necessarily the outcome? That kind of power? More the second, but also the season feels like it's moving toward Angel discarding his reliance on any higher powers. So all humans could realize that they control their own fates. ....and we could show everyone losing faith in God and stuff. It'll be beautiful! Obviously being sarcastic there, but that's a pitfall that should be avoided.
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Post by LizaP on Jun 12, 2004 7:55:14 GMT
Oh, you mean a global epiphany.
I thought the Jasmine story tried that.
I think I need to re-think the concept.
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Post by chris on Jun 12, 2004 10:28:31 GMT
I think Jasmine was more of a brain washing rather than an epiphany, this should be the exact oppoiste IMO.
She tried to take away what is suppose to be man's greatest asset, free will. Here it could be done so that it is exactly what she tried to take from us, free will, that will save us. It could even be mentioned that this could have been another motive for her. The Powers let Cordy come back and give birth to Jas as they feared we would one day use our free will and become aware of the good fight. If this was the case we would not need them anymore. Just an idea.
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Post by Jaxxson on Jun 12, 2004 10:33:15 GMT
I don't think the TPTB let cordy leave i think when angel pull cordy out of the place they are at Jasmine hiched a ride seeing how i was put into motion a will ago
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Post by Doyle on Jun 12, 2004 10:33:22 GMT
I think Jasmine was more of a brain washing rather than an epiphany, this should be the exact oppoiste IMO. She tried to take away what is suppose to be man's greatest asset, free will. Here it could be done so that it is exactly what she tried to take from us, free will, that will save us. It could even be mentioned that this could have been another motive for her. The Powers let Cordy come back and give birth to Jas as they feared we would one day use our free will and become aware of the good fight. If this was the case we would not need them anymore. Just an idea. I like how this is developing. The whole season in fact.
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Post by Jaxxson on Jun 12, 2004 10:34:40 GMT
me two when we first started i though it was never going to get off the ground but here we are crawling soon to be walking
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Post by chris on Jun 12, 2004 10:36:37 GMT
But if the powers are all powerful (ok starting to get confusing!) then maybe they didn't directly let her go but they know of the future and have the ability to change it but just let her go knowing full well the consequences. Throughout season 4 they never really helped Angel and co, the visions seemed to direct Angel away from the truth and in the end it was Fred that saw what was really going on without any divine help.
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Post by Jaxxson on Jun 12, 2004 10:40:39 GMT
yeah i could see that the TPTB didn't realy try to stop her but if Jasmine was behind the wheel of the cordymabill then she controld the visions and mabey wasn't letting them throw
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