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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 9:51:53 GMT
This is a fairly self-explanatory poll. Please read through the various topics and arguments for each character before placing your vote. Thanks.
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Post by Drew on Jun 10, 2004 21:33:45 GMT
I'm against Andrew being a regular because I see no way to do it without bringing in other Slayers.
But has anyone thought about how, if we bring Oz in (and are we assuming Nina is around, too?), then we will have on this show:
Two Werewolves
Two Freds
Two Vampires w/a Soul
and it's looking more likely that we will have two links to the Powers.
. . .weird. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I just noticed it right now. I'm gonna think more about Oz before I vote. I definitely do want to see him on the show, though, in some capacity.
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Post by chris on Jun 10, 2004 21:37:50 GMT
could be one of the themes of the season, doubles and opposites...
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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 21:44:43 GMT
I'm against Andrew being a regular because I see no way to do it without bringing in other Slayers. But has anyone thought about how, if we bring Oz in (and are we assuming Nina is around, too?), then we will have on this show: Two Werewolves Two Freds Two Vampires w/a Soul and it's looking more likely that we will have two links to the Powers. . . .weird. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I just noticed it right now. I'm gonna think more about Oz before I vote. I definitely do want to see him on the show, though, in some capacity. Yeah, I mentioned somewhere else that it looks like "mirrors" of characters may end up being an underlying theme....and it looks like it really might lol. As for Andrew...he could be "stationed" in los angeles and is supposed to be finding other slayers to aid him in taking angels place....but he kinda sucks at it and when we see him he is griefing some poor girl who is NOT a slayer. That could be really funny. Plus big funny when he explains what he is doing there...and of course classic Angel moment when he gets all "hurt" that Buffy sent Andrew to take over for HIM..... |
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Post by Drew on Jun 10, 2004 22:17:59 GMT
Hmm...you'll have to explain to me how someone grieving a dead girl is funny...(don't worry, I'm not being too serious right now (well, I am - but you're obviously thinking about it differently than I am).
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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 22:38:33 GMT
Hmm...you'll have to explain to me how someone grieving a dead girl is funny...(don't worry, I'm not being too serious right now (well, I am - but you're obviously thinking about it differently than I am). LOL, you completely misunderstood me. When I said "griefing" I meant it as in giving her grief or a hard time not to imply that he was grieving her loss. I never meant she was dead or anything. Hence the funny.  Sorry for the confusion and I hope that clears things.up. |
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 11, 2004 6:53:19 GMT
ugh! Yall keep talking about Andrew likes he is a watcher. he is NOT a watcher.
and about him setting up shop, training people, etc., I doubt he has that kind of authority ova there in the counsel...if anything(imo) hes more of a lackey, to Giles, who I am assuming at this point is heading the new counsel
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Post by LizaP on Jun 11, 2004 7:11:40 GMT
If you go with the doubles/opposites thing, which I think is great, then Oz is the only possibility from the list. But I don't think you need a returning regular - guest shots are cool but regular returning kind of detracts from the big fight at the end of S5, in my opinion. The gang was pared to the bone (so to speak) and any regular characters should be new. Or at least from season 5 - like Nina.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 11, 2004 8:33:39 GMT
ugh! Yall keep talking about Andrew likes he is a watcher. he is NOT a watcher. and about him setting up shop, training people, etc., I doubt he has that kind of authority ova there in the counsel...if anything(imo) hes more of a lackey, to Giles, who I am assuming at this point is heading the new counsel Yes, to reaffirm, Andrew would not (in my mind at least) be a full fledged Watcher. Granted, since they are starting over from scratch, we have no idea what the criteria is that constitutes earning the title of "Watcher", but I'm guessing Andrew wouldnt cut it. However, it is obvious he IS working with them in some capacity, therefore the above scenario is not ridiculous in the slightest. To have him setting up shop in L.A. and looking for Slayers would basically be a means to get him out of their hair, as he is likely getting on all their nerves by now. |
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Post by Doyle on Jun 11, 2004 8:35:59 GMT
If you go with the doubles/opposites thing, which I think is great, then Oz is the only possibility from the list. But I don't think you need a returning regular - guest shots are cool but regular returning kind of detracts from the big fight at the end of S5, in my opinion. The gang was pared to the bone (so to speak) and any regular characters should be new. Or at least from season 5 - like Nina. Why do you feel having Andrew or Oz as regulars would detract from S5 finale? I'm not sure I follow you there. Also, Andrew was introduced to Angel last season, so keeping with what you say above, he should be considered just as much -if not more really- than Nina.  |
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Post by LizaP on Jun 12, 2004 6:51:50 GMT
If you are going to have returning regulars, they should be people who were part of the big fight - or at least know what the gang was trying to do when they agreed to rule the W&H LA offices. Just my opinion, but if this season is going to be about the good apocalypse, you should have characters who know (kinda) how and why it's necessary.
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Post by Jaxxson on Jun 12, 2004 6:55:09 GMT
yeah but every body that knew and are on angels side is dead
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Post by LizaP on Jun 12, 2004 7:07:50 GMT
Not quite everyone. Nina is still alive, and so is the woman who gave her baby to the Fell brotherhood. Well maybe the last isn't a great example but there are a legion of people that Angel & Co helped who could be recruited. And what about the woman from the second season opener, who was pregnant with some kind of messiah (the episode where Angel went back to the Hyperion for the first time in decades) - and there are other possibilities but those are the only ones I can think of this late on a Friday. Give me time and I can come up with names.
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Post by Jaxxson on Jun 12, 2004 7:16:28 GMT
I'am not sure that Angel told Nina what was the reason they had taken over W&H I could be wrong all i think that she knew was angel was a vampire and ran W&H but conor on the other hand knew even without being told
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Post by Drew on Jun 12, 2004 7:17:27 GMT
If you are going to have returning regulars, they should be people who were part of the big fight - or at least know what the gang was trying to do when they agreed to rule the W&H LA offices. Just my opinion, but if this season is going to be about the good apocalypse, you should have characters who know (kinda) how and why it's necessary. I think you can have old recurring characters that understood their fight. And we can have those characters understand why the Good Apocalypse is necessary for their own personal reasons - we can give them stories that justify it. What Angel went through isn't the only story of failure and understanding that some good action needs to be taken. And I don't think we should consider small characters like the pregnant woman from "Judgement" or the pregnant woman from "Time bomb". And then there are characters like Groo, who wouldn't understand why Angel joined W&H but that's good because then there's tension. yea, tension! |
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Post by Drew on Jun 12, 2004 7:20:38 GMT
So if Oz is made a regular, what would be his function on Angel's team?
We've talked about introducing him through the Werewolves Anonymous Group (WAG - get it, 'cause they got tails...eh? eh?), and then possibly his entire group being killed and then him feeling like a failure.
But where would he go from there?
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Post by LizaP on Jun 12, 2004 7:25:35 GMT
I keep forgetting about Groo because he wasn't one of my favorite characters.
Oz would have to have a new function if he became a regular or semi-regular. Not just a fighter - in fact I don't see Oz as a fighter at all, he was definitely a pacifist kinda guy on Buffy. Totally cool, but still pacifist.
Groo on the other hand ... naive and a good fighter. Has possibilities.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 12, 2004 7:37:25 GMT
So if Oz is made a regular, what would be his function on Angel's team? We've talked about introducing him through the Werewolves Anonymous Group (WAG - get it, 'cause they got tails...eh? eh?), and then possibly his entire group being killed and then him feeling like a failure. But where would he go from there? That's why I voted for Andrew. I think there is more room to work him into the group and have a valid function there. Oz...I wouldnt know what to do with him. I love the character to death......but...no idea how to make him gel with the group to the point of being a regular. |
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Post by Drew on Jun 12, 2004 7:43:59 GMT
That's why I voted for Andrew. I think there is more room to work him into the group and have a valid function there. Oz...I wouldnt know what to do with him. I love the character to death......but...no idea how to make him gel with the group to the point of being a regular. Yeah, I haven't voted yet, but I think I may be moving more toward this direction. I still would love to see the WAG episode at least and maybe have Oz hang around LA and show up for a few more episodes, but I guess regular status might not be the best for him. As for Andrew, it is a possibility, but I've yet to hear a reason for him joining Angel that has really convinced me. I may vote "neither" but not yet - so until I do vote, whoever has Andrew ideas throw them at me!  |
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Post by LizaP on Jun 12, 2004 7:51:03 GMT
I voted for neither - Andrew is great comic relief and Oz is great for a stand alone episode but I don't see either having a meaningful role in the coming chaos/apocalypse.
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