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Post by Doyle on Jun 12, 2004 7:55:56 GMT
Yeah, I haven't voted yet, but I think I may be moving more toward this direction. I still would love to see the WAG episode at least and maybe have Oz hang around LA and show up for a few more episodes, but I guess regular status might not be the best for him. As for Andrew, it is a possibility, but I've yet to hear a reason for him joining Angel that has really convinced me. I may vote "neither" but not yet - so until I do vote, whoever has Andrew ideas throw them at me! To be honest, I'm pushing for Andrew to give the group some levity. We are starting off with Angel, Spike and Illyria. Then when we do add a couple members its "dark" Fred and Grace....I think someone like Andrew could be a valuable presence. I think, after having him try to set up shop in L.A. and fail, then find out Angel is alive he'd call Buffy and tell her what was up and ask if he should come back.. Buffy, not wanting Andrew back, says that maybe its best if he stays around there to keep an eye on Angel and the gang....or something. BTW, I had a fun idea for some throwaway dialogue as I was drifting away into slumberland last night that would explain why Buffy has finally had it with Andrew....I cant remember all of it but it had something to do with him getting back into his magicks a bit and accidently transorming Dawn into an orangutang (sp?).....then Spike asks if she's all right he is answered with a confident "oh yeah!....unless she sees a cute boy that she likes, then it can get a little embarassing". ha.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 12, 2004 8:03:27 GMT
I voted for neither - Andrew is great comic relief and Oz is great for a stand alone episode but I don't see either having a meaningful role in the coming chaos/apocalypse. I think we really need a little comic relief this season. As much as I love Oz, I think his role would be more gratuitious than anything and should perhaps be left to a device to write Nina out of the series. (I don't think Angel has time to really pursue a relationship this season). The more and more I think about it, I think Andrew is nearly a must.
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 13, 2004 4:29:01 GMT
I really hate the idea of having Nina or even that preggo chic(Jaime Bergman) being part of the team just because they were there last year. theyre throw aways if U ask me. I can understand Nina being there im some sorta capacity, but I cant believe pregoos was even brought up.
And personally I hate Groo. I think hes so dull. I would hate to see him as part of the team. however depending on whatever arcs the staff(which Id like to be a part of once it gets assigned ;D) go with, Id like the idea of him popping up as more or less Angel's enemy, working for the PTBs
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 13, 2004 4:32:50 GMT
So if Oz is made a regular, what would be his function on Angel's team? We've talked about introducing him through the Werewolves Anonymous Group (WAG - get it, 'cause they got tails...eh? eh?), and then possibly his entire group being killed and then him feeling like a failure. But where would he go from there? WAG. Me likes that lol. but I dont think these questions need to be addressed now. sure theres alot of kinks that will need to be unkinked to make this season be great and cohesive, but I for one am not in a hurry. greatness cannot be rushed ;D The Cancer Out
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Post by Doyle on Jun 13, 2004 7:52:00 GMT
WAG. Me likes that lol. but I dont think these questions need to be addressed now. sure theres alot of kinks that will need to be unkinked to make this season be great and cohesive, but I for one am not in a hurry. greatness cannot be rushed ;D The Cancer Out If not for the fact that we are trying to decide on who will become a regular, I would agree that these details are unecessary at present time, but we in fact are, so a good idea of how they would fit in and work with the gang is important to establish right now. Personally, I think Andrew is the best choice. Oz is best left to a one-shot gig.
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 13, 2004 8:21:27 GMT
personally, I LOVEEEE Andrew. and if theres a way to logically transition him in, Im all for it heres what urks me. I dont see him being left to train a slayer. at least not alone and at least not in L A too much of a coincidence and Im of the "no slayers allowed" persuasion AND it was slightly done last year when he showed up also, the idea of sending him off. whether it be to get him "out of their hair" or to "set up shop" so to speak. Again, him doing either of these things in LA just screams forced. its too much coincidence. ALSO, why on earth would they be sending this former/present nerd on his own? Dont get me wrong, I love the character. I just feel strongly about forcing people into situations. but we have some great minds here...we'll unkink it Cancer out
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Post by Jaxxson on Jun 13, 2004 8:27:28 GMT
will i think that Giles and buffy and spreading them selfs to thin unable to send someone to every part of the world and L.A being a place that you don't want to leave ungarded have to send andrew with the others to busy doing other stuff and buffy unable to leave dawn alone in italley(?sp?) and with andrew just sitting around there whos perfect to send
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Post by Doyle on Jun 13, 2004 8:28:51 GMT
personally, I LOVEEEE Andrew. and if theres a way to logically transition him in, Im all for it heres what urks me. I dont see him being left to train a slayer. at least not alone and at least not in L A too much of a coincidence and Im of the "no slayers allowed" persuasion AND it was slightly done last year when he showed up also, the idea of sending him off. whether it be to get him "out of their hair" or to "set up shop" so to speak. Again, him doing either of these things in LA just screams forced. its too much coincidence. ALSO, why on earth would they be sending this former/present nerd on his own? Dont get me wrong, I love the character. I just feel strongly about forcing people into situations. but we have some great minds here...we'll unkink it Cancer out I can see where youre coming from, but I don't think its too forced since I'm running off the assumption that Buffy believes L.A. to currently be unprotected from the "dark forces" since Angel is either (1) in charge of W&H and she doesnt trust him or (2) Angel & Co. are nowhere to be found since they were snatched out of the alley. I think it makes sense to have someone in L.A. as she knows Angel was always busy. The proposed idea of Andrew being there to also find slayers was not a problem. I'm probably the biggest advoactor of banning slayers from the show, so don't worry. I figured Andrew never found any, and the poor girl he thought was a slayer (see an earlier post by me somewhere) was just an orginary girl, which was to be (a) comical and (b) set up that Andrew was getting desperate at not having any luck locating slayers. I think it would work. Maybe he wouldnt be there alone, but its easier for us if he were.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 13, 2004 8:31:44 GMT
Of the two, it would seem by conversations contained within the varous threads, that Andrew would be the favorite and this matter could be settled. I ask that anyone who hasnt voted, please do so now as we'd like to get past this and move on to more important matters....like writing the season. From what I have gathered here so far: 1. Andrew seems to work as a regular. 2. Oz best left as a one-shot. Agree or Disagree? Vote and let me know!
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 13, 2004 8:39:38 GMT
I can see where youre coming from, but I don't think its too forced since I'm running off the assumption that Buffy believes L.A. to currently be unprotected from the "dark forces" since Angel is either (1) in charge of W&H and she doesnt trust him or (2) Angel & Co. are nowhere to be found since they were snatched out of the alley. I think it makes sense to have someone in L.A. as she knows Angel was always busy. The proposed idea of Andrew being there to also find slayers was not a problem. I'm probably the biggest advoactor of banning slayers from the show, so don't worry. I figured Andrew never found any, and the poor girl he thought was a slayer (see an earlier post by me somewhere) was just an orginary girl, which was to be (a) comical and (b) set up that Andrew was getting desperate at not having any luck locating slayers. I think it would work. Maybe he wouldnt be there alone, but its easier for us if he were. ok- lets say they assume the "Dark Forces" are beggining to take over and either way- dead or at W&H, they think Angel is gone. "Andrew go to LA to stop the forces!" see what I mean? LoL they wouldnt do that. I think hed have to arrive with some sort of team. Lets say hes working his way up the ladder and Giles has made him a watcher in training. Hes still just a watcher and needs backup. again, I dont think we should rush anything, but if he is coming and needs backup, might as well make it familiar faces Cancer out
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Post by Doyle on Jun 13, 2004 9:06:38 GMT
ok- lets say they assume the "Dark Forces" are beggining to take over and either way- dead or at W&H, they think Angel is gone. "Andrew go to LA to stop the forces!" see what I mean? LoL they wouldnt do that. I think hed have to arrive with some sort of team. Lets say hes working his way up the ladder and Giles has made him a watcher in training. Hes still just a watcher and needs backup. again, I dont think we should rush anything, but if he is coming and needs backup, might as well make it familiar faces Cancer out Even though I was giving Buffy legitimate motivation to send Andrew to L.A., I'm not sure how serious she took it herself. Also, they did put him in charge of a mini army of slayers....so we have to think they are somewhat confident in his abilities. I mean, he did manage to pull a fast one over on Angel and Co. The guy can get his job done.....he's just an incompetent compentent.....if that makes any sense.
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Post by Jaxxson on Jun 13, 2004 22:16:15 GMT
well we could have buffy send him with a slayer and the slayer dieing idea it would work and seeing how he is aready there they just leave him it could work out like this
andrew arives in L.A with a slayer she gets killed and andrew runs into spike knowing that angel and spike are alive and no longer with W&H they think that Angel and Co are back on the side of good Buffy might want to keep an eye on angel so she tells andrew to stay there in L.A.
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Post by LizaP on Jun 13, 2004 23:21:44 GMT
Why have Buffy send Andrew to LA? Why not have Andrew come on his own for some reason - like he had to get away from all girls or he had to see Spike or something - I think the humor would be that Buffy was happy to see him go and isn't too anxious to have him back.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 13, 2004 23:56:10 GMT
I think that would work fine too. Although, this is Andrew we're talking about, its got to be better than he just needed to get away from all the girls...maybe he goes to L.A. to take over for M.I.A. Angel? I can see him doing something silly like that. He does have that nasty habit of overestimating his own importance.
Yeah, I really like this idea.
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 14, 2004 5:31:12 GMT
personally I dont think Buffy should even be mentioned. Giles(not buff) would be sending him. He works for Giles/counsel, buffys off doing her own thing.
But heres an idea-an idea that has everything! conflict, logistics, and it deals with what I am assuming will be a major theme of the season-guilt.
Giles, Andrew and someone else. Im thinking a new character. Perhaps a wicth, someone part of the coven Giles is familiar with over there; they come to LA, amidst the chaos, trying to restore, yadda yadda.
so obviously at some point, these 3 bump into Angel. pretty much (IMO) these two "teams" being on different sides havre some sorta conflict throughout the episode which eventually gets resolved.
Giles would eventually start to realize Angel and Spike can be trusted. he goes back to England, but he wants to leave Andrew and this Wicth(or whatever) behind to work with Angel. noone really likes the idea, but all parties agree somehow(we'll work it out later)
but before he leaves, Giles pulls Andrew and whomever aside. in private he lets them know that in fact he doesnt really trust Angel to do what is right, and if informing Andrew to keep a watchful eye on them.
So they stay behind, then maybe two or even the very next episode, this witch(or whatever) dies. Again, we'll unkink that when necessary. but basically, the person responsible for her death is Andrew- and there lies his guilt. And other than that every now in then hes always sneaking off so he can call giles and inform him of whatever events are transpiring.
pretty much all I got
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Post by Dismas on Jun 14, 2004 22:04:03 GMT
Andrew doesn't even need to be in LA for this to follow the plan with the dead slayer. He could be anywhere near the west coast, recruiting or training. Then his girl dies, he freaks out and can't make himself report back to Buffy or Giles. Maybe he wants them to think he's dead too. He'll run to LA to find Angel and Spike. He won't tell them what happened right away.
I wonder what kind of car Andrew drives.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 14, 2004 23:02:10 GMT
I don't know, I think I still like the idea I pitched better...not because I pitched it ...but because it eliminates the need for a slayer to appear or hold any kind of significant role and instead would only need to be mentioned, plus I'd like his arrival to be a bit "lighter" in nature. I don't think we need to start the season off darker than it already is. And Andrew is scheduled to show up in Episode 2. ;D Which leads me to... After much deliberation on the subject, we have decided to go with Andrew as a regular for the foreseeable future. He will first appear in Ep 2 and then appear in the "opening credits" from Ep3 +. Oz will still have a significant, albeit downsized role to play. The poll is now closed.
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Post by chris on Jun 14, 2004 23:28:09 GMT
everyone agrees that Andrew isn't a watcher, but don't you think it is an Andrew type thing to do to come up with a title for himself? Something quite silly, any ideas?
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Post by chris on Jun 15, 2004 20:00:46 GMT
and another thing... will andrew be playing a wes like role or will he be the comic relief? If he not like a new wes then I think the main characters could do with a brain, there are a lot of fighters but without Fred or Wes then there is a bit of a hole in other areas.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 15, 2004 20:25:11 GMT
and another thing... will andrew be playing a wes like role or will he be the comic relief? If he not like a new wes then I think the main characters could do with a brain, there are a lot of fighters but without Fred or Wes then there is a bit of a hole in other areas. I think his role would be somewhat similar to how Wes was in Season 1 -brains and comic relief.
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