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Spike
Jul 16, 2004 4:58:43 GMT
Post by Joss on Jul 16, 2004 4:58:43 GMT
Okay Doyle, our cover's blown. Let's pack our winnings and catch the next plane to Guatemala.
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Spike
Jul 16, 2004 5:03:33 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jul 16, 2004 5:03:33 GMT
Grab Drew's credit card on your way out, k?
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Spike
Jul 16, 2004 5:05:01 GMT
Post by LizaP on Jul 16, 2004 5:05:01 GMT
Hey, it's not like you have life, ya know, or a job. Unless you consider this a job. This season 6.
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Spike
Jul 16, 2004 5:09:29 GMT
Post by Joss on Jul 16, 2004 5:09:29 GMT
That was pretty mean
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Spike
Jul 16, 2004 17:42:39 GMT
Post by Drew on Jul 16, 2004 17:42:39 GMT
Fred has an entry in the character's bible. It is vague. There are a few things we haven't talked about like exactly what she's going to be like when she returns - I say no time passed so the knowledge that Wes and Gunn are dead is a sudden, devastating shock. Then she's just depressed the rest of the time. Anyway, sorry, not the Fred thread.
But we really do need something for Spike to do. We can say that he'll take care of Fred, but how will he do this?
Oh and Illyria can't really join the fight with humans because she is helping Angel, that's why Tobit wants Fred to kill her.
I suppose Andrew could interact with a demon from the demon shelter.
Now back to my life. . . .I mean lunch.
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Spike
Jul 17, 2004 6:15:38 GMT
Post by LizaP on Jul 17, 2004 6:15:38 GMT
I'm sorry. Very sorry. You can take away the smiley face as punishment.
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Spike
Jul 17, 2004 6:31:54 GMT
Post by Joss on Jul 17, 2004 6:31:54 GMT
Eh don't worry about it. And I'm going to give you five typos here. Enjoy: ;D ;D
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Spike
Jul 20, 2004 2:19:50 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jul 20, 2004 2:19:50 GMT
Instead of going the love interest route, maybe introduce a female demonic social worker or even a counselor of sorts that works at the shelter that Spike strikes up a non-romantic bond with.
Damn, I dunno. I'm stumped with what to do with him this season.
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Spike
Jul 20, 2004 2:26:14 GMT
Post by Joss on Jul 20, 2004 2:26:14 GMT
Damn, I dunno. I'm stumped with what to do with him this season. We should start a club. Maybe he could be a ghost again? I don't know. I think I'm having a case of writer's block, I can't think of anything.
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Spike
Jul 26, 2004 23:10:15 GMT
Post by Drew on Jul 26, 2004 23:10:15 GMT
Instead of going the love interest route, maybe introduce a female demonic social worker or even a counselor of sorts that works at the shelter that Spike strikes up a non-romantic bond with. What is the differance between that and Spike striking up a non-romantic bond with a Demon that frequents the Shelter a lot? It seems to me that we already have a demonic social worker on the show in the form of Tobit. That's not to say we shouldn't have others, but I think we need the presence of a demon that needs help showing up occassionally. Thoughts?
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Spike
Jul 28, 2004 4:48:59 GMT
Post by LizaP on Jul 28, 2004 4:48:59 GMT
How about ... having Spike take on a lot of Angel's mission - have him focus on helping the hopeless (sorta as a sideline) while Angel and Grace figure out the final apocalypse?
OR, because he's, you know, Spike, he could once again re-invent himself as a poet (remember his stint in "Not Fade Away") and find that he's in this group of literati who think he's not only really cool and sexy but also a great poet - maybe take him into this clique and then Spike becomes all poetical and gentle and stuff.
It's a lame idea but Spike has gone through just about every personality change except that one.
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Spike
Jul 28, 2004 9:13:55 GMT
Post by Inyan on Jul 28, 2004 9:13:55 GMT
Thats sort of what i was going for in Conversations with Spike/They live by night.
I dont see any reason why he would stop writing poetry especially after his huge success in Not Fade Away.
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Spike
Jul 28, 2004 21:50:55 GMT
Post by Joss on Jul 28, 2004 21:50:55 GMT
How about ... having Spike take on a lot of Angel's mission - have him focus on helping the hopeless (sorta as a sideline) while Angel and Grace figure out the final apocalypse? I like this. It would make sense that seeing who Angel would first be in a rut and then be taken out of it by Grace he would lose focus. And then Spike could look down on him because he has lost the vision, the mission.
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Spike
Aug 26, 2004 16:36:31 GMT
Post by Jaxxson on Aug 26, 2004 16:36:31 GMT
(sorry if this is all rehersed i haven't read all the post in this thread) intresting, I think that spike needs to have somthing in his life this season. Mabey a pet of somesort a dog that lives at the shelter. Or mabey a hamseter.
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Spike
Aug 26, 2004 22:01:24 GMT
Post by Inyan on Aug 26, 2004 22:01:24 GMT
Spike does have a pet this season, his name is Andrew. ;D
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Spike
Aug 26, 2004 23:49:21 GMT
Post by Joss on Aug 26, 2004 23:49:21 GMT
Hmm, Spike and a dog... that's something. I don't really know what it is exactly, but it sure is.... something
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Spike
Aug 27, 2004 5:25:15 GMT
Post by LizaP on Aug 27, 2004 5:25:15 GMT
In the Book of Tobit, Tobit has a little dog when he's out walking and the angel starts walking with him.
It's a totally irrelevant point, but you were talking about dogs and all.
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Spike
Feb 1, 2005 4:31:42 GMT
Post by Joss on Feb 1, 2005 4:31:42 GMT
Well, we really don't have anything going on with Spike. I've been thinking about the guy for a while but there isn't any plotline or thematic element that he really fits in perfectly in. Then it hit me: maybe that's it. Spike just doesn't fit in with what is going on around him. He is feeling alienated from everything and everyone around him. Let's review how Spike is relating to everyone around him:
Tobit: Well, from what we've seen in episodes so far the relationship between these two isn't really blossoming. Tobit tries to be friendly but he can't really reach out to Spike, which just ends up leaving any one-on-one interaction between them really cold. And in addition to this Tobit is much more interested in Angel than he is in Spike. I don't think that Tobit would mind getting rid of Spike if the Powers really preasured him. And I don't see Spike shedding tears over Tobit's corpse.
Fred: Alienation is sure to be a very big concept here. Spike will probably try to reconnect but Fred will more than likely push him away. They had a close relationship before but Spike was the one that most closely bonded with Illyria so that will proably strain there relationship.
Andrew: Early on he will be highly dependant with Spike but then he will begin to become his own man and break away from his mentor. Spike might be relieved or might actually lament that he is losing that relationship.
Illyria: She will be very much reeling from the return of Fred. She will be often in doubt about whether the good actions that she took were really her feelings or rather Fred shinning through her. In addition to this she will be wanting to prove herself to Fred as really "good". So because of all this I think that she will just blindly following Angel, trying to do good and it seems to her like his fight is the best way to do it.
Angel: he is the opposite of Spike. He fits... to scary extremes. His life is routine. He loves the system and the system loves him. He follows everything to a "t". He is doing good, but without meaning. But he has a purpose. Hollow as it may be he still has it, and that is what Spike lacks in essence. Spike is the only one that notices Angel's rut and the one that is most disturbed by it. He knows that Angel is doing good but he gets a bad feeling out of this.
So he really doesn't have it. No purpose, no sense of right. He's just there. He remains in LA because he wants to do good. But the good-doing that is being done around is not one that sits well with him. So his life has no purpose, no right place where he fits in. He might find momentary rightness with Grace but in the end that is just another dead end that leaves him even more broken. So what's his life. Chaos. He really doesn't believe in what he's doing.
And pehaps this means that he's the wild card, the only one of the MoG that Tobit doesn't really have under his thumb. He's the only one that might be able to go up against the Powers.
Tear it to shreds.
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Spike
Feb 3, 2005 6:19:01 GMT
Post by Joss on Feb 3, 2005 6:19:01 GMT
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Spike
Feb 3, 2005 12:30:44 GMT
Post by Inyan on Feb 3, 2005 12:30:44 GMT
I agree with everything you said. I've also been thinking about Spike alot and have been a bit at a loss.
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