Dismas
Vampire with a Soul
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Spike
Jun 23, 2004 2:31:46 GMT
Post by Dismas on Jun 23, 2004 2:31:46 GMT
Spike needs a character arc! We have a basic idea of the important stuff that will happen to all our other main characters. We don't have anything for Spike to do except crack jokes, annoy Angel, and maybe move in with Illyria. I think we should plan some challenges for Spike, and Spike alone, to face.
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Spike
Jun 23, 2004 2:40:03 GMT
Post by Joss on Jun 23, 2004 2:40:03 GMT
maybe move in with Illyria. Spike and Illyira... now there's a disturbing thought that bring in thousands of comical posibilities... Sorry, I let my mind wander for a bit. Anyway, you are right. On last season, except for the majestical Destiny, Spike was little more than comical relief. We should have something happen to him, something big. He does need a story arc. Maybe Drusilla could return and find her dear Willy as nutered as her beleoved Angelus and try to do something to him.
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Spike
Jun 23, 2004 23:16:55 GMT
Post by LizaP on Jun 23, 2004 23:16:55 GMT
I think that we should refer back to the Destiny episode - Spike really does think he earned and deserves the title Hero - but I also think Spike is aiming for the shanshu prophecy to apply to him. He never really said he wasn't interested in it if you recall. Maybe we could do an episode that pushes him a little further along the shanshu path. A big step that makes him something between a vampire and a human.
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chris
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Spike
Jun 23, 2004 23:22:56 GMT
Post by chris on Jun 23, 2004 23:22:56 GMT
Bring back Dru! Just for one episode! But I don't think that should be the big thing that happens to him. He could get a bit pissed off that he is doing the fighting and now been a hero in two major battles (Chosen and Dont Fade Away) but he never gets any of the glory.
I do think he should be 'friends' with Illyria and leave Angel isolated a bit more...
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Spike
Jun 23, 2004 23:28:10 GMT
Post by Joss on Jun 23, 2004 23:28:10 GMT
Yeah, I like the Dru coming back for one episode bit and maybe that can cause a emotional trip for Spike.
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chris
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Spike
Jun 23, 2004 23:31:28 GMT
Post by chris on Jun 23, 2004 23:31:28 GMT
What if we built on what was started last season with Angel sleeping with Dru messing Spike's head and that caused a huge problem between the two men...
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Spike
Jun 24, 2004 0:02:39 GMT
Post by LizaP on Jun 24, 2004 0:02:39 GMT
I get the feeling Spike is over Dru. She could still come back and mess with his head but I really think that when he decided he loved Buffy, Dru was out of the picture. Just my opinion.
But maybe she could return and Spike tries somehow to save her or something.
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chris
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Spike
Jun 24, 2004 0:06:30 GMT
Post by chris on Jun 24, 2004 0:06:30 GMT
What if we built on what was started last season with Angel sleeping with Dru messing Spike's head and that caused a huge problem between the two men... I didn't really mean that he still loved her but thought it was quite interesting to see what it was that caused the rift between them as at first they seemed friends. Maybe we could see a bit more about this... the lack of trust he has with Angel. He also seemed to blame Angel for his guilt. How did he put it? Dru sired him but Angel turned him into a monster.
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Spike
Jun 24, 2004 0:07:07 GMT
Post by Joss on Jun 24, 2004 0:07:07 GMT
Maybe that could be the thing. Perhaps Spike can be completly certain that he is over her and then when she returns he finds himself hving all kinds of fucked up feelings.
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Spike
Jun 24, 2004 6:34:01 GMT
Post by LizaP on Jun 24, 2004 6:34:01 GMT
Maybe not so much fcked up feelings but guilt over what they did together - or something like that.
I just don't like the idea of him going all "googly eyed" over Dru when he pretty much told her to get lost. Since that episode (which I think was in season 5??) we have only seen Dru in flashbacks with Spike. So I'm thinking he feels she's a big problem he has to somehow fix.
Or, given that chaos is an overriding theme, have him fall in and out of love with her over and over and over again.
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Spike
Jun 24, 2004 6:52:40 GMT
Post by Jaxxson on Jun 24, 2004 6:52:40 GMT
I can see spike wanting to help her in some way but for falling in love i think that was taken care of in Crush (or what ever it was called) season five of buffy
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chris
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Spike
Jun 24, 2004 8:41:59 GMT
Post by chris on Jun 24, 2004 8:41:59 GMT
Yeah let's leave love out of it for now or it may be just re hashing old ideas. Spike deserves something new... just what?!
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Spike
Jun 24, 2004 16:23:49 GMT
Post by Joss on Jun 24, 2004 16:23:49 GMT
Chris is right guys, we need to find something that has never happened to Spike, or anyone else for that matter, before. Question is, what?
Only thing that comes to my mind right now is that maybe Spike gets shanshu'd and has to adapt to being human again, but even I gotta admit that idea kinda sux.
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chris
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Spike
Jun 24, 2004 19:19:44 GMT
Post by chris on Jun 24, 2004 19:19:44 GMT
For such a great character it sure is hard to think of things for him to do! What about exploring his relationship with Illyria? I don't mean love but there was something there. And then having to deal with Fred who he doesn't know as well yet still has strong feelings for... I think I'm clasping at straws guys...
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Spike
Jun 24, 2004 21:40:44 GMT
Post by Joss on Jun 24, 2004 21:40:44 GMT
Okay Powers that Be, we are keeping the fucking series alive here so start sending us the visions already! They would really be useful ya know!
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chris
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Spike
Jun 24, 2004 23:13:37 GMT
Post by chris on Jun 24, 2004 23:13:37 GMT
What if when Fred's soul started to re emerge Spike felt a duty to help her as Fred helped him when a ghost but this means sacrificing his new friendship with Illyria...
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Dismas
Vampire with a Soul
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Spike
Jun 24, 2004 23:13:49 GMT
Post by Dismas on Jun 24, 2004 23:13:49 GMT
Only thing that comes to my mind right now is that maybe Spike gets shanshu'd and has to adapt to being human again, but even I gotta admit that idea kinda sux. Hey that's my old idea!! ;D Three cheers for the anticlimactic Shanshuing of Spike! To dredge up more of my old musings, I say if Dru makes an appearance it should be because Angel and Spike need her help. Force the old gang back together and get the boys in a fight. Even if Spike's not in love with Dru anymore he'll still get pissed if she favors Angel over him. It could take place outside LA if we don't want Dru hanging around like a loose end. That would also keep the rest of the gang out of the way while we focus on the vamps and their past together.
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Dismas
Vampire with a Soul
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Spike
Jun 24, 2004 23:14:40 GMT
Post by Dismas on Jun 24, 2004 23:14:40 GMT
What if when Fred's soul started to re emerge Spike felt a duty to help her as Fred helped him when a ghost but this means sacrificing his new friendship with Illyria... Oh I like that.
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chris
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Spike
Jun 24, 2004 23:19:11 GMT
Post by chris on Jun 24, 2004 23:19:11 GMT
Do you think it could work?? Spike could be torn between his two friends but thinks he will have to kill one to save the other even if that does happen to be the case in the end.
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Spike
Jun 24, 2004 23:23:59 GMT
Post by Joss on Jun 24, 2004 23:23:59 GMT
To dredge up more of my old musings, I say if Dru makes an appearance it should be because Angel and Spike need her help. Force the old gang back together and get the boys in a fight. Even if Spike's not in love with Dru anymore he'll still get pissed if she favors Angel over him. It could take place outside LA if we don't want Dru hanging around like a loose end. That would also keep the rest of the gang out of the way while we focus on the vamps and their past together. I like this idea that Dru should return because the Fang Gang needs. Thing is, we would have to come up with a really good reason for Angel to accept working with her. Anybody got any ideas?
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