Tobit/PTB's Plan

[Inyan]

With all this discussion about Grace's Plan I think weve forgot about Tobit and the PTB's plan.

We've sort of discussed it and as far as I understand it it has something to do with restoring the balance by starting a war between ensouled demons and humans and keeping Angel and the gang too preoccupied to notice. But how exactly are we going to acheive this. What steps are they going to take.

I may be way wrong; I just thought we needed some place to discuss this.

[Drew]

I am deleting this thread immedietally.

Yeah, I guess you're right. We should discuss this. Geez. So many things to talk about.

I think Tobit should be sending out Team Angel to fight evil, but only little evils that don't have much effect on the balance of things. He'll hide from them the things that truly matter.

He'll be giving Angel the impression that he is helping. He'll give Angel the impression that they are really working to make the lives better for the Demons that come to the Shelter. But they aren't. The PTB are just fostering bitterness, anger, and resentment in the ensouled demons toward the humans.

I think right at the end of Act II, we should have the audience find out Tobit is bad, but not Angel and Co. The beginning of Act III, we should have a few eps where Angel & Co. don't know Tobit is bad but are still interacting with him. This will give us cool creepy Tobit moments.

So there's the war between demons and humans. There should probably be one more part to their master plan.

[Inyan]

Ive thought of a way to make the ensouled demons aggression toward humans viable. Lets say there is some magical artifact in the shelter that makes you more aggresive the longer you are around it. I want to hide it in the TV ( I think thats quite fitting ). All that will be needed is a gentle push towards the recipient of this aggression.

[ThePowersThatBe]

Perhaps the artifact gains more power when certain nets are tuned in, such as, say... oh, I don't know... mebbe... The Whub?

I think it'd be funny as hell if an episode of Charmed pushes the demons to decide that humankind is a blight upon the earth that must be removed ;D

[LizaP]

Oh jeez - are we getting desperate here?

I think Tobit should just get the idea in his head all by himself. He's a tool of the PTB but he can have some ideas of his own.

[Joss]

Yeah, I think that Lizap's right. Tobit's own sneakiness should be enough to start out a war.

[angelicslayer]

i agree with joss. tobit isn't just a PTB puppet. i mean there got some charactics that tobit has that would make the PTB use him.

[angelicslayer]

okay this idea was posted in grace's plan,but this idea seems more appropiate for tobit's plan. okay here it goes:

grace needs six people to bring on the good appocalyse these people represent the good in the world. okay, but since tobit/ptb's plan is not to have this good apocalyse then there are these "destiny stones". they are an evil objects. when on of these destiny stones are destoryed so are one of the six people. also when a person is near the destiny stones they become evil or are affected ny the evil inside these stones.tobits use these stone so that there is no way grace could bring on a good apocalyse. if you need more info go to grace's plan and then you'll understand what i am saying. okay, please respond back to this idea! tell me if it sucks or if it's good!

[Joss]

I was thinking of a way that Tobit could use these stones. the PTB want to restore the balance by bringing more evil back into the world, right?

OR they can also do it by taking out a lot of good. So what Tobit could do is destroy some of these stones and in the process destroying one of the six great goods of the world.

[Drew]

I think this is pretty interesting. I think we should also leave open the possibility that these evil things don't have to be stones. Could be something else. Could be organs that the bearers transplant from themselves to the next bearer and on and on and on. You know, one bearer dies, the successor takes the organ and puts it in themself.
Nothing's wrong with stones, but we can keep that option open I think.

Oooh, but if it was organs, then one could be a heart and it could be Angel's heart because Angel is the corresponding person to that evil organ. And Angel can argue that his heart isn't evil. And Tobit can say, "Yeah, but it's only after the thing has died that you've actually become good.
Because when Angel was human, his heart didn't do too much in the way of good deeds. But then we can have it not really be evil.

Oooh, and skin. Skin is the organ people always forget is an organ.

But I think this idea is pretty cool. One question: If destroying one of the stones kills one of the people, does that mean Grace doesn't need all the people for said Good Apoc? And if so, will Tobit not succeed in destroying any?
I mean, that's probably not the case, we can always think up something to get around that - just wondering.

[Joss]

Whoa, that is some twisted mojo you got working there Drew.

It's interesting. Very creepifying, but interesting. I like the idea of an evil heart and all that. Maybe all of the objects are different objects, like one organ, one stone, one sword, ext.

I basically think that Tobit would need to destroy about half of these objects to balance things out, take out half of the great goods of the world.

And the skin thing could be something that could work out very well. It's a disturbing idea, but it's also a good one.

[Drew]

Whoa, hold on a sec, you find skin transplants disturbing?

And people call me weird.

[Joss]

lol. No, what I find disturbing is that from your post the idea that I got in my head was skin-- as a whole. The entire suit. All of the skin.

So now combine that with this:

Drew said:

. Could be organs that the bearers transplant from themselves to the next bearer and on and on and on. You know, one bearer dies, the successor takes the organ and puts it in themself.

[Drew]

oh yeah, I mean the successor would take all of the skin. that is kind of weird though - enchanted skin.

[angelicslayer]

when i read about the skin thing just rite now, i found it kind of creepy. i like the idea. i agree with drew that these evil things don't have to be stones ,but when i was thinking about the idea i sort of had stones in mind because i liked the name of stones which was "destiny stones". anyways, the skin thing is a cool idea.

[LizaP]

Well.. I frankly am not a fan of the organ thing. And Angel's heart was already discussed in The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco.

But - the idea that goodness as a real part of someone is worth going into detail on - and that evil is a hard outside influence (the destiny stones) is also good.

It's the Joseph Campbell geek in me but I see potential.

[Inyan]

I agree with LizaP, not a fan of the organ thing.

[angelicslayer]

okay who votes that the organ thing should be out?

[ThePowersThatBe]

I vote a very emphatic "out"

[angelicslayer]

anyone else think the skin thing should be out? i like the idea,but it still creeps me out! I vote OUT!