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Fred
Jun 20, 2004 6:24:35 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 20, 2004 6:24:35 GMT
so eventually theres gonna be a Fred AND Illyria co-existing ? ? ? with neither of them dying or any consequences ? ? ? if this did happen in s6 I dont think it wouldve played out that way. I dont think they would kill Fred, which was a monumental death, only to get a new character out of it then to miraculously bring her back and have double the fun. does anyone else see any problems wth this Joss and Jeff Bell have both stated that Amy Acker would be playing dual roles in Season 6 if they had had the chance, so in anwer to your query, "no", I don't have a problem doing what was initially planned from the start.
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PuppetCancer
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Fred
Jun 20, 2004 6:57:06 GMT
Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 20, 2004 6:57:06 GMT
to me , it just seems like this idea only exists because Joss whedon and Jeff Bell said it would happen?
I dunno, I just dont see how they would co exist or even why they would decide to do that after she had such a monumental death but oh well only time will tell
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Fred
Jun 20, 2004 7:04:06 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 20, 2004 7:04:06 GMT
to me , it just seems like this idea only exists because Joss whedon and Jeff Bell said it would happen? I dunno, I just dont see how they would co exist or even why they would decide to do that after she had such a monumental death but oh well only time will tell No point in debating it now anyway, it's been in the approved ideas thread for a while now and the whole reason that exisits is to eliminate certain ideas and concepts from discussion so we can move foreward. And honestly, "yes", because we knew that was planned we worked really hard to make it fit in with this season. Oz's appearance is the same way and I believe it was mentioned that the PTB would be the big bads this season, so that's another one. Our goal here was to get as close as we could to what was planned with still giving it our own distinctive spin, and I think its a good balance thus far.
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Fred
Jun 20, 2004 16:31:48 GMT
Post by Inyan on Jun 20, 2004 16:31:48 GMT
If im understanding this correctly the Fred that comes back is going to have a copied shell with Illyria in the original. Is the copied shell going to be a copy of the shell currently occupied by Illyria or a copy of the original shell?
.........Damn theres alot of shells up there......
What im trying to get at is this: Will the new Shell/Fred have Illyrias extra strength etc?
I think it will make the contrast/mirror more complete; kind of same tool different operator.
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Fred
Jun 20, 2004 18:14:57 GMT
Post by Drew on Jun 20, 2004 18:14:57 GMT
If im understanding this correctly the Fred that comes back is going to have a copied shell with Illyria in the original. Is the copied shell going to be a copy of the shell currently occupied by Illyria or a copy of the original shell? .........Damn theres alot of shells up there...... What im trying to get at is this: Will the new Shell/Fred have Illyrias extra strength etc? I think it will make the contrast/mirror more complete; kind of same tool different operator. I think either Fred or Illyria will be placed in a new shell. But both will look like Amy Acker. Not sure exactly how that works yet, but it's what is planned. As for Fred turning to the PTB (Alan) at the end. I really like this idea. Fred will NOT turn evil because TPTB really aren't evil. They are offering balance and stability between the forces of good and evil. But Angel wants to go another way with this Good Apoc. I think after the world she returns (this horrible chaotic place where half her friends are dead or gone), she might be very tempted by Alan's side.
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Fred
Jun 20, 2004 18:20:54 GMT
Post by Joss on Jun 20, 2004 18:20:54 GMT
I think either Fred or Illyria will be placed in a new shell. But both will look like Amy Acker. Not sure exactly how that works yet, but it's what is planned. As for Fred turning to the PTB (Alan) at the end. I really like this idea. Fred will NOT turn evil because TPTB really aren't evil. They are offering balance and stability between the forces of good and evil. But Angel wants to go another way with this Good Apoc. I think after the world she returns (this horrible chaotic place where half her friends are dead or gone), she might be very tempted by Alan's side. Okay dammit Drew, this is like the fourth time you take the exact words outta my mouth.
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Dismas
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Fred
Jun 20, 2004 18:24:13 GMT
Post by Dismas on Jun 20, 2004 18:24:13 GMT
I get confused when we can't say "Good vs. Evil" and instead say "Good vs. Different Good"
I'm only in favor of Fred getting strength if we agree to make her Alan's ally.
The big remaining questions is why would she side with Alan. Does death and rebirth give her a new perspective on the war between....um....Good and Different Good?
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Fred
Jun 20, 2004 18:53:59 GMT
Post by Drew on Jun 20, 2004 18:53:59 GMT
Sorry, Joss.
I think that after returns she will not be pleased with the world. And I think that the Good Apoc that Angel & Co. will attempt will have to be very risky, otherwise - you know, it'll be boring. And I Don't think Fred will be happy with this risk. Things could get worse, and she may be led to believe by Alan that if the Powers get their way, if they restore the balance, everything will return to as it was. Maybe she'll be kinda crazy still and will believe him when he says that she'll be able to see Gunn, and Lorne, and Wesley again. She just has to help him. She just has to help him by. . . .I don't know, killing Illyria (maybe by killing herself), but she won't believe that she will die because everything will be restored.
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Dismas
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Fred
Jun 20, 2004 19:06:05 GMT
Post by Dismas on Jun 20, 2004 19:06:05 GMT
If Fred can come back from the dead she might believe the others can come back too. What if the Powers offer to return the lives of Wesley and Gunn if Angel backs down from his plan of action? Angel says no, but Fred disagrees.
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Fred
Jun 20, 2004 19:13:29 GMT
Post by Drew on Jun 20, 2004 19:13:29 GMT
If Fred can come back from the dead she might believe the others can come back too. What if the Powers offer to return the lives of Wesley and Gunn if Angel backs down from his plan of action? Angel says no, but Fred disagrees. I think Fred might believe everything could be restored. I don't think the Powers would actually return Wes and Gunn, they might make her believe that.
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Fred
Jun 20, 2004 20:20:16 GMT
Post by LizaP on Jun 20, 2004 20:20:16 GMT
But we are sticking with the rule that once you're dead, you're dead - if you weren't killed by magic.
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Fred
Jun 20, 2004 22:16:20 GMT
Post by Drew on Jun 20, 2004 22:16:20 GMT
Right. I think the Powers would just tell Fred that everything can be restored. They wouldn't tell this to Angel. They would just try to win Fred over and they would lie to her to do it.
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chris
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Fred
Jun 21, 2004 10:43:04 GMT
Post by chris on Jun 21, 2004 10:43:04 GMT
That could work really well and also casts a shadow over the powers as it proves that they will do anything to get their way, even manipulate people through lies which could make Angel think how many times has he been lied to in tha past by them just when they wanted something.
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