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OZ
Jun 8, 2004 3:08:51 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 8, 2004 3:08:51 GMT
Okay, here is my pitch on how to bring Oz in....keep in mind that what capacity (regular or guest star) is still up in the air, but to "bring him in" I suggest the following.
In the finale Angel sends Nina and her family away (out of country wasn't it?) and I propose she meets up with Oz and his wolf pack during that time. Angel finds out this fact when he travels to find her and bring her back.
Thats really it. Its fairly obvious, but it makes sense and it allows us to easily do either of the following:
1) write Nina off as she decides to stay with Oz's pack effectively making OZ a guest star
2) kill off the pack (or something) and bring Oz back to LA with Angel and make him a regular
I think the first option may be the most popular of the two, but I actually would prefer to bring Oz in to the fold because we need some levity with all the heavy crap going on.
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OZ
Jun 8, 2004 6:12:47 GMT
Post by Jaxxson on Jun 8, 2004 6:12:47 GMT
I don't remember who posted it but i kind of like the of a sort of AA meeting for werewolfs and thats how we meet up with OZ
anyways
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OZ
Jun 8, 2004 6:19:06 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 8, 2004 6:19:06 GMT
It's kind of a fun idea, but I really don't know about using it in Angel. From what we know of Oz in the books (which are said to be set in continuity) he seems to have found a place that he is comfortable with himself and his being a werewolf (at least to my understanding, I havent read them myself) and would likely not attend such meetings.
I think Nina hooking up with the pact would basically have the same effect as a group meeting, but without the novelty which may or may not be a bad thing.
Obviously, its up for discussion, so people, speak up!
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OZ
Jun 8, 2004 7:15:20 GMT
Post by Drew on Jun 8, 2004 7:15:20 GMT
I think as for the Werewolves anonymous idea, Oz wouldn't be a member, he would be the leader. He's not just the president, he's also a member. He has started the whole WA thing.
I think it's kind of funny. But I'll have to think about it more.
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OZ
Jun 8, 2004 7:19:29 GMT
Post by Jaxxson on Jun 8, 2004 7:19:29 GMT
I think as for the Werewolves anonymous idea, Oz wouldn't be a member, he would be the leader. He's not just the president, he's also a member. He has started the whole WA thing. I think it's kind of funny. But I'll have to think about it more. no thats great have Oz helping other werewolves he most like has helped himself at this point why not have him helping others and help nina(or whatever her name is) and thats how he shows up
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OZ
Jun 9, 2004 0:09:12 GMT
Post by Drew on Jun 9, 2004 0:09:12 GMT
I'm possibly about to suggest the stupidest storyline ever. Here goes: So Oz is the leader of this pack of wolves in Werewolves Anonymous. And Nina is in it, too - although I don't have much to say on that. But someone starts killing all the members. They are shot with silver bullets. And it turns out that one of the members (here it comes. . .) - when they were a werewolf - they bit a real wolf, and now this wolf suddenly finds itself turning into what, i guess, you would call a Wolfwere. And its killing them because it is enraged at what it has been turned into and it hates the impurity that they are. . .or something. Anyway, feel free to respond with just this smiley face: if you think it's stupid. I was just trying to come up with a new twist. otherwise, maybe just one of the members is killing the other members.
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OZ
Jun 9, 2004 0:31:34 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 9, 2004 0:31:34 GMT
Peter David wrote a novel several years ago with the same premise. It could be a lot of fun, but I don't know if its "right" for our purposes. But we're definitely not going to discard it yet. Remember, a lot of things sound really f-ing stupid at first.....its all about the execution. Don't hesitate to toss out ideas. I don't. And a lot of them ARE stupid.
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OZ
Jun 9, 2004 1:10:28 GMT
Post by Drew on Jun 9, 2004 1:10:28 GMT
What about the idea that Oz is trying to help a pack of werewolves but then something happens and the pack starts to go out and kill people. Oz would not, of course, and he would have feelings of failure. and he would not like that maybe angel would have to kill some of them. Or something like that.
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OZ
Jun 9, 2004 4:38:01 GMT
Post by Dismas on Jun 9, 2004 4:38:01 GMT
I love the Werewolves Anonymous idea! Oz could be Nina's sponsor.
I less enthusiastic about Oz leading a pack. It sounds so dull now next to the WA idea.
Werewolfism could spread pretty fast during a full moon in a chaotic LA. Suppose a bad guy wolfman wants to build his own pack. He starts intentionally turning people and recruiting WA members.
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OZ
Jun 9, 2004 6:43:55 GMT
Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 9, 2004 6:43:55 GMT
damn Im flattered(and shocked) that people like my idea (werewolves anonymous) ITA that itd have to be done right. I see the first and second act being more quirky then by the end of act 2 the dark twist kicks in. (and drew ur idea sounds good) yeah, I see Oz as the person who started these meetings. Leader, conselor, whatever , I dunno how it works(any drunks out here?) and a majority of the members being "newbies" or younger;around the age he was when he was bit The idea of him having some sorta "pact" I dont like I dunno what goes on in the comics, but Oz has always struck me as a loner a nomad type PuppetCancer out
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OZ
Jun 9, 2004 7:55:51 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 9, 2004 7:55:51 GMT
damn Im flattered(and shocked) that people like my idea (werewolves anonymous) ITA that itd have to be done right. I see the first and second act being more quirky then by the end of act 2 the dark twist kicks in. (and drew ur idea sounds good) yeah, I see Oz as the person who started these meetings. Leader, conselor, whatever , I dunno how it works(any drunks out here?) and a majority of the members being "newbies" or younger;around the age he was when he was bit The idea of him having some sorta "pact" I dont like I dunno what goes on in the comics, but Oz has always struck me as a loner a nomad type PuppetCancer out The Pack is "official" as it appeared in the novels which are set in continuity and if Joss hadn't run out of money, he had every intention of Oz and his pack show up to help the Slayers fight the First in the Buffy finale. Just wanted to make it clear that it's Joss's idea, not mine, and its considered to be canon.
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OZ
Jun 9, 2004 8:00:52 GMT
Post by Jaxxson on Jun 9, 2004 8:00:52 GMT
The Pack is "official" as it appeared in the novels which are set in continuity and if Joss hadn't run out of money, he had every intention of Oz and his pack show up to help the Slayers fight the First in the Buffy finale. Just wanted to make it clear that it's Joss's idea, not mine, and its considered to be canon. I'am not trying to be a prick here but if we fallow every thing that joss had or might have had planed then Grace would not be here
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OZ
Jun 9, 2004 8:05:37 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 9, 2004 8:05:37 GMT
I understand that, but we should deal with things that are considered to be canon. Thats like suddenly making Willow "not gay" because we don't like it.
I'm not saying we try to do everything as Joss would have...we cant. But I think we should stick as close to his lead as possible and then put our own twist on things. If we really want to go with the WA thing, thats great, but we need to at least acknowledge that Oz runs with a pack now. Thats all I'm saying.
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OZ
Jun 9, 2004 8:24:49 GMT
Post by Jaxxson on Jun 9, 2004 8:24:49 GMT
ok i think that we have to decided on something here are we going to follow what happen in the tv show or what happen in tv, books, comics, word from mouth, ect... because i for one do not follow the comics and i realy haven't heard anthiing on what joss had plan i think it might help if we pick
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OZ
Jun 9, 2004 8:36:00 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 9, 2004 8:36:00 GMT
ok i think that we have to decided on something here are we going to follow what happen in the tv show or what happen in tv, books, comics, word from mouth, ect... because i for one do not follow the comics and i realy haven't heard anthiing on what joss had plan i think it might help if we pick To Joss, they are all one continuity. An event in the comic or novel is just as valid as an episode. I'm not quite sure I understand the problem here...it is set in continuity, it just wasnt filmed and broadcast on television, but the material is out there.
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OZ
Jun 9, 2004 8:49:33 GMT
Post by Jaxxson on Jun 9, 2004 8:49:33 GMT
I guess your right and i'am not sure how to put what i'am thinking of into words I guess the way i though of it was that if it was on the show then thats the facts everything eles is just a idea like you siad they did kill off Gunn in the first draft and then plans changed If that makes any scents
anyways back to oz ;D
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OZ
Jun 9, 2004 23:04:13 GMT
Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 9, 2004 23:04:13 GMT
thing is , it might be kinda hard to incorporate Oz and his whole "pack" in. btw- when did this all happen? has there been Oz comics anytime soon ?
and what exactly does the word "canon" mean ?? ?
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OZ
Jun 10, 2004 7:19:34 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 7:19:34 GMT
thing is , it might be kinda hard to incorporate Oz and his whole "pack" in. btw- when did this all happen? has there been Oz comics anytime soon ? and what exactly does the word "canon" mean ?? ? I believe they adapted the Oz novel in comic form somewhat recently (last year or so?). "canon" is an established principle. Something not up for dispute and to be considered "law". When someone asks if a Buffy or Angel novel is canon, they're asking if it takes place in the same continuity of the television programs. Joss has his hand in all comics, novels, video games, etc. for the Buffy/Angelverse and all those are said to take place in the same continuity we are familiar with on television.
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OZ
Jun 10, 2004 7:23:27 GMT
Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 10, 2004 7:23:27 GMT
thanks.
only Oz novel I know of are the comics he had dealing with when he left after s4; and Im sure those were a few years ago.
so if this was canon, I think it could be worked around
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OZ
Jun 10, 2004 7:31:43 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 7:31:43 GMT
thanks. only Oz novel I know of are the comics he had dealing with when he left after s4; and Im sure those were a few years ago. so if this was canon, I think it could be worked around yeah, I only said we needed to at least mention them. It could totally be a throway line about how he used to run with a pack but but now he runs the WA group instead or something. I'm just trying to protect against the really, really hardcore fans (and by that, I mean "anal")reading what we've done and being all "don't you know what your talking about? Oz has a pack now, you guys need to know your material before you try to write it" kind of responses.
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