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Chaos
Jun 7, 2004 21:28:44 GMT
Post by Drew on Jun 7, 2004 21:28:44 GMT
Chaos. It's. . .chaotic.
And since everyone - and I mean everyone (i know, weird) - seems to be in agreement about this season dealing with chaos, we need to talk about it.
First, chaos isn't easy to portray. Are we talking constant demon and/or human violence in the streets? Constant?
Second, is this chaos getting started right from the very first act of the very first episode? Or will it build up over a period of the season? And if it does start right away, we're gonna need a breather sometime soon - I'd say no later than the fifth or sixth episode.
So chaos. . .let's organize it.
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Chaos
Jun 7, 2004 21:36:03 GMT
Post by Jaxxson on Jun 7, 2004 21:36:03 GMT
well seeing how the last season ended i would have to think that i would start from the very first act and slow biuld its way up now well this chaos be only towards angel or will it be towards the world
personly i would like to see it pointed toward the world and have angel over the season try to stop it
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Chaos
Jun 8, 2004 1:33:23 GMT
Post by ChrsgemATL on Jun 8, 2004 1:33:23 GMT
I was one of the members that thought that liked the Chaos idea but thinking about it Jax is right. IF you were to start the season in Chaos then it would be really hard. How long wout it last? How would Angel stop it? If he did by ep six what then? The only real reason i liked it was because it was an answer to why the powers that be bring ANgel and co back to LA. So this is how I revised it.
Everything is like I said in previous post but what we find out is that theres a major imbalace like most on here have suggested, back in LA and in our dimension. Angel and co need to go back and fight on the side of good since there arent alot on the powers side right now. ALL of the powerful evil demons are pissed bc of what Angel did, doing in WRH office, again and taking out the black thorn. Even though its caused imbalance, taking out the Black THorn had major reprocusions that ANgel didnt think about. So, they are sent back and about a third of the way into the season Angel and co find out that the SP are taking this opportunity (or maybe this is what they wanted in the first place; to cause imbalance) and they are launching THE APOCOLYPSE. Not the minor ones weve seen but THE BIG AND FINAL one. So throughout the season Chaos slowly ensues in the streets and this is all leading up to the final battle between good and evil. I think thats how the season should run.
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Chaos
Jun 8, 2004 2:04:36 GMT
Post by Joss on Jun 8, 2004 2:04:36 GMT
I don´t think that the chaos should begin right off. Why? Because honestly I don't think we can write it. I think that we would not be able to keep up ideas that were fresh for this subject if we begin from the very start.
I think that the first episodes should deal with Angel and Co. returning to the street, adapting to losing all of their privileges, going from king of the mountain back to slug on the street. In this time we could see how there is an unusually high demon and/or vamp activity in LA because of the imbalance caused by the Senior Partners and PTB, but nothing major (yet). Also we could be introduced to Grace and the whole Illyra/Fred conflict could begin around here.
Then, at around episode 14 we could begin with the whole super serious chaos thing.
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Chaos
Jun 8, 2004 2:18:51 GMT
Post by ChrsgemATL on Jun 8, 2004 2:18:51 GMT
Agreed, Joss.
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Chaos
Jun 8, 2004 2:24:45 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 8, 2004 2:24:45 GMT
I think the chaos should be in full swing but we don't realize it as its the power of good (PTB) who are out of balance now. It's chaos through order. I like that idea a lot. Things seem great at first, but the more the PTB have a grasp on our world, it quickly becomes apparent that organized evil was here for a reason -to counter and balance out control.
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Chaos
Jun 8, 2004 3:15:26 GMT
Post by Joss on Jun 8, 2004 3:15:26 GMT
Things seem great at first, but the more the PTB have a grasp on our world, it quickly becomes apparent that organized evil was here for a reason -to counter and balance out control. I like this idea, A LOT. I think that it would be great to see the world at first all happy and cheery and then spiral out of control. Keep up those visions from the powers Doyle
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Chaos
Jun 8, 2004 3:55:23 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 8, 2004 3:55:23 GMT
I like this idea, A LOT. I think that it would be great to see the world at first all happy and cheery and then spiral out of control. Keep up those visions from the powers Doyle I think it would be cool to see the world as seemingly being "a-ok" and then toward the end of the episode they find out how grave the state of things really are. Again, I'm going to pimp my suggested title for the premiere "Winning". It makes sense cause when we see our heroes it looks like they've won big-time only to discover that there are consequences they didn't consider and that maybe "winning" wasn't the best thing to happen.
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Chaos
Jun 8, 2004 3:59:19 GMT
Post by Joss on Jun 8, 2004 3:59:19 GMT
How about the title "Dead New World"?
It could mean how the world seems to be completly new and perfect and a-ok, but just lurking inside, just waiting to show it's true colors is the horror, the demons and the evil.
And yes it's a rip-off of "Brave New World" but Joss and Co. have riped off movies already (Thin Dead Line)
Let the flaming of my idea comence!
PS: But then again winning also makes sense, we could stretch it out over two whole episodes, starting with the perfect world in Winning and then moving onto the chaos in Dead New World.
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Chaos
Jun 8, 2004 4:06:39 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 8, 2004 4:06:39 GMT
It really depends on how soon we are able to see that the PTB are screwing things up. Remember, at first it should seem as if everything is going great and we probably want to play off that for a while and slowly have things going into the whole chaos through order. It's not that the physical world will be thrust into chaos that we can see...at least not immediately. Although a take on "brave new world" isnt a bad idea. Maybe later in the season when things become more grave?
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Chaos
Jun 8, 2004 4:08:18 GMT
Post by Joss on Jun 8, 2004 4:08:18 GMT
Sounds good to me.
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Chaos
Jun 8, 2004 4:17:14 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 8, 2004 4:17:14 GMT
Maybe we should actually just call it "Brave New World" as the use of the word "dead" doesnt conjure the right imagery for this type of "chaos" and have it be an episode where the gang is getting back from being out of town (for whatever reason) and only when they come back they find out how out of hand everything has gotten? Holy run on sentences batman!
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Chaos
Jun 8, 2004 5:24:06 GMT
Post by LizaP on Jun 8, 2004 5:24:06 GMT
Chaos doesn't have to be all monsters and wierd demons, it can be the head-scratching stuff where what should be normal, isn't. Chaos is a lack of pattern and thought, not just havoc and destruction.
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Chaos
Jun 8, 2004 5:54:23 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 8, 2004 5:54:23 GMT
Chaos doesn't have to be all monsters and wierd demons, it can be the head-scratching stuff where what should be normal, isn't. Chaos is a lack of pattern and thought, not just havoc and destruction. Thats exactly where we are going with it I think. Since its chaos via "order", it makes sense that the chaos would not be obvious -such as throwing the world into flames, etc. but more low-key, so much in fact we don't know anything is anything but perfect until its almost too late.
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Chaos
Jun 8, 2004 6:06:33 GMT
Post by LizaP on Jun 8, 2004 6:06:33 GMT
Yeah, where "what should be" isn't. The examples that come to mind are things like "changing the rules in the middle of the game" kind of thing. Is that what you are thinking of too?
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Jun 8, 2004 6:11:40 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 8, 2004 6:11:40 GMT
Yeah, where "what should be" isn't. The examples that come to mind are things like "changing the rules in the middle of the game" kind of thing. Is that what you are thinking of too? To be honest, I haven't thought too hard on it yet other than the fact that the chaos needed to surround them and be extremely subtle to the poin that they don't notice the changes around them. But yeah, rules in a game changing could definitely be an example of this.
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PuppetCancer
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Chaos
Jun 9, 2004 0:09:54 GMT
Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 9, 2004 0:09:54 GMT
I really like the chaos theory. The whole thing about them tipping the scales and such, I really dig. However I think it should be done slowly. Like Ive said before, if Gunn were to survive(heres hoping) and lets say Lilah showed up, constantly putting ideas in his head, and he took that path, he could contribute to the growing chaos.
And I think that maybe the evntual chaos should only reign onto LA, as that is the only branch of W&H taken out(or not?) and then eventually engulfing more and more space.
very irrelevant, but the chaos thing would make sense too in the world of "fray" seeing as those are very chaotic times. maybe it stemed from this
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Dismas
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Chaos
Jun 9, 2004 3:17:22 GMT
Post by Dismas on Jun 9, 2004 3:17:22 GMT
If the chaos becomes apparent I'd expect a lot of beings (human and demon) to abandon ship and try to get the hell out of LA. I'm not just talking about piling the kids into a minivan and heading out on the interstate. People will be trying to evacuate the dimension, through poorly constructed portals. At the same time other new, nasty groups will be moving IN to try to fill the power vacuum. Interdimensional baddies drop from the sky to set up a foothold on earth.
I've been out of the loop for a few days. Is the chaos localized to LA or does this extend farther? Is it global?
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PuppetCancer
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Chaos
Jun 9, 2004 6:15:47 GMT
Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 9, 2004 6:15:47 GMT
we're still working out the kinks, Dismas. Theres ALOT of kinks that need to be unkinked for things to be logical and make sense in this universe. Shit, I bet Dawsons Creek was never this hard to break...and thats cuz its crap PuppetCancer out
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Chaos
Jun 9, 2004 7:20:11 GMT
Post by Jaxxson on Jun 9, 2004 7:20:11 GMT
I think that the Chaos should start out in L.A and appear to be moving slowy throw the world but in fact its moveing quite fast
if that make and scents
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