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Andrew
Jun 10, 2004 9:20:56 GMT
Post by Jaxxson on Jun 10, 2004 9:20:56 GMT
seeing that we are thinging about him coming back mabey as a regular mabey a one timer I think that he deserves his own thread here we can think up stuff for him to do I for one would like to see him back as an regular I would like to see him come back looking for help tho i don't realy want to see him with a slayer so start thinking i'll give you a gold star if you come up with something good
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Andrew
Jun 10, 2004 9:52:07 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 9:52:07 GMT
New poll added.
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Andrew
Jun 10, 2004 21:40:39 GMT
Post by Drew on Jun 10, 2004 21:40:39 GMT
Well, I'll just throw out this idea again. Someone came up with it and then I added a little. I don't remember who. Sorry. Whoever you are, you're very smart.
A slayer gets killed in the teaser of the ep. Andrew was training her in LA. So now he has to deal with this failure. He got someone killed in the line of duty. And it sould parallel Angel's own emotions over how many people he lost from last season. So I'm thinking it would come toward the beginning of this season. Would the ep deal with Andrew wanting to get revenge? Not sure, yet.
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Andrew
Jun 11, 2004 11:12:33 GMT
Post by Jaxxson on Jun 11, 2004 11:12:33 GMT
well it will have to deal with him ether wanting help out wanting revenge i personly would like to see him go to spike for help and then later on have him wanting revenge
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Andrew
Jun 16, 2004 1:03:16 GMT
Post by Joss on Jun 16, 2004 1:03:16 GMT
Now this might be pushing the envelope a bit with an idea that was discarded but....
Okay, so Andrew is recruiting a slayer in, let's say Chicago. Or anywhere that is closer to LA than to England. yo
Why don't we have the slayer he was recruiting be killed because of Andrew's incompetence, which shouldn't be too hard to write considering who we are dealing with, by a vampire.
So then Andrew discovers that the slayer has been sired and is hunting him down to kill him. Freaking out he runs to Angel (or Spike, considering who we are dealing with), who is a lot closer than Buffy to try to find sanctuary from the slayer.
A vampified slayer could be an interesting villian of the week. She would cretainly be stronger than your average I-used-to-be-an-acountant-but-I-got-bitten-in-the-neck-so-now-I-know-tae-kwon-do vampire. Just a thought.
Okay, now, I know that a lot of you are against the return of slayers, and I am one of you. But this would just be a monster of the week, staked and dusted in the same episode that she was introduced.
It could be a way to fill in one of the earlier episodes and to re-introduce Andrew to the series. Kind of like the oposite of Wes, joining the team by running away from the demons instead of by hunting them.
Hmm, suddenly i am not liking my own idea so much....
Oh well, might as well post it just in case.
Let the flaming of my idea comence.
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Dismas
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Andrew
Jun 16, 2004 3:48:39 GMT
Post by Dismas on Jun 16, 2004 3:48:39 GMT
I, for one, think it's a pretty good idea. I'd rather see the slayer die because of Andrew's cowardice than his incompetence, because it fits in with him running for help from Spike and Angel.
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PuppetCancer
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Andrew
Jun 16, 2004 6:17:18 GMT
Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 16, 2004 6:17:18 GMT
Pretty good, but there was the whole Dana thing last year
it also doesnt clarify as to why hed stick around after they dusted her, as opposed to returning to the counsel
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Andrew
Jun 16, 2004 16:00:13 GMT
Post by Joss on Jun 16, 2004 16:00:13 GMT
Well obviously because Spike would hold him hostage to have an excuse to talk to Buffy (major j/k here)
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Andrew
Jun 16, 2004 22:56:55 GMT
Post by Jaxxson on Jun 16, 2004 22:56:55 GMT
I myself Like it and it would be a great way to get him in to the Show
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Andrew
Jun 17, 2004 5:09:57 GMT
Post by LizaP on Jun 17, 2004 5:09:57 GMT
I agree, but don't really like the idea of a slayer - how about a watcher-in-training or something like that? Or the idea of witch from the coven in Bath was mentioned - I think that would work. But slayers? I think not - I think this show is best when the slayers are not around. Well except for Faith but that was a whole nuther issue.
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PuppetCancer
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Andrew
Jun 17, 2004 6:01:32 GMT
Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 17, 2004 6:01:32 GMT
but still... with whatever happens, why is he gonna stick around with them afterwards as opposed to going back wherre he belongs
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Andrew
Jun 17, 2004 6:59:32 GMT
Post by Doyle on Jun 17, 2004 6:59:32 GMT
but still... with whatever happens, why is he gonna stick around with them afterwards as opposed to going back wherre he belongs I think that is being covered in the "who will be the next regular" thread.
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Andrew
Jun 28, 2004 16:11:52 GMT
Post by LizaP on Jun 28, 2004 16:11:52 GMT
Did y'all check out ThePowerThatBe's suggestion that a couple of Slayers in Training just dump Andrew and take off and that's why Andrew won't be returning to the fold?
I thought it was great.
And I also think we should give Andrew a fairly sizable role in this season - don't want him to be like Lorne, just hanging around and making wise cracks. He's too great a character for that.
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Andrew
Jun 28, 2004 23:33:39 GMT
Post by Joss on Jun 28, 2004 23:33:39 GMT
I think that this is an incredbile idea. It could work much better.
And since we are saying that perhaps Dru could kill some slayers under the charge of Andrew maybe when she shows up she could reveal that after they left she slaughtered them?
Just throwing around ideas.
But I definetly like the idea very much of the slayers dumping Andrew a lot. I think that's what we should do.
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Andrew
Jun 28, 2004 23:45:34 GMT
Post by Drew on Jun 28, 2004 23:45:34 GMT
Would that really keep Andrew away? I mean, isn't the idea that he has changed. He's more authoritative (82% more manly). Wouldn't he just go back? And wouldn't Giles and the others be pissed at the Slayers? I know they'd probably be temporarily happy that Andrew is gone, but he was helping them. It just doesn't seem realistic to me. But somebody convince me otherwise.
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Dismas
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Andrew
Jun 29, 2004 1:38:36 GMT
Post by Dismas on Jun 29, 2004 1:38:36 GMT
That's why I prefer his slayer dies. It gives him all sorts of reasons to stay in LA with Angel - shame, fear, guilt. He could prefer letting the others think he's dead too.
Slayers ditching him sounds like a good joke to mention, but not as the premise for bringing Andrew to LA.
How about the end of his first episode Angel watches as Andrew calls up Giles:
Giles (on phone): *indecipherable screaming* Andrew: But Mr. Giles I already told you - Giles (on phone): *indecipherable screaming* Andrew: Maybe if I came back I could- Giles (on phone): *louder screaming* Andrew: Won't you guys miss me? Giles (on phone): *click* Andrew(sees Angel, pretends he's still talking to Giles) : Ok. Have fun. Talk to you soon! Andrew(to Angel): Good news! I'm staying in LA for awhile...
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Andrew
Jun 29, 2004 2:17:45 GMT
Post by Joss on Jun 29, 2004 2:17:45 GMT
Yeah, these two guys are right, it falls apart somewhat quickly, doesn't it?
Okay, so we are back to slayer death.
Oh, and Dismas, love that little dialouge.
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Andrew
Jun 29, 2004 2:27:24 GMT
Post by ThePowersThatBe on Jun 29, 2004 2:27:24 GMT
I admit, you do make a good point in regard to Andrew newfound "manliness."
However, there is still the issue of Andrew's slayer getting killed feels a lot like we're bringing back Wesley. True, Wesley's slayer didn't die, but his failure with her had deadly, dark consequences.
Besides, his "manliness" must not have blossomed too much; he was sleeping on Buffy's couch after all.
I see where you're going guys, I just think there needs to be a distinctly different "feel" between Andrew and Wesley's failures.
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Andrew
Jun 29, 2004 4:54:26 GMT
Post by ThePowersThatBe on Jun 29, 2004 4:54:26 GMT
Sorry to beat a dead horse, here, but I was struck with another idea that might be worth considering: Perhaps the reason his slayer (in this instance it would have to be singular) left was because he was in love with her. It would make sense: Andrew has indeed gained quite a bit of self-esteem and maturity since "Buffy." Now he's put in a position of authority over a young girl near his age (could be 18 or so to minimize the ewww factor). They work very closely together, and share a lot with each other. Andrew grows very attached to her, eventually falls in love, and, feeling confident for the first time in his life starts to make advances. Sort of a Xander/Buffy thing. Only Andrew, having considerably less experience with social interaction, doesn't know to quit when she turns him down. Eventually he goes too far, and she hurts him (probably physically). Horrified, she leaves his tutelage forever. It would certainly be a better way to explain why he can't go back to Giles; not only his shame for failing as a Watcher, but for the fact that he made inappropriate advances toward the one under his watch. Plus, we get an added layer of personal tragic depth if his slayer is killed by Dru or whoever: not only was she his student, but he really did love her, as he may have never loved anyone in his life. I realize the idea probably hasn't a chance in hell of being considered (it does sound a little hokey now that I've put it out there), but, hell, when inspiration hits, sometimes you just gotta throw yourself in front of the crowd Anyway, would anyone be willing to see Andrew in a cast when he first appears?
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Andrew
Jun 29, 2004 16:16:32 GMT
Post by Drew on Jun 29, 2004 16:16:32 GMT
Okay, here's an idea I submitted to Doyle since he's actually writing the ep. So really all these things we're tossing out here are dependent on his approval, I guess. But he hasn't been around lately so we're sorta stuck in limbo until we find out when he's coming back or what's up. So here's my thoughts:
What if Andrew came to LA because a group of slayers he was in charge of got killed by a new vampire - one we haven't seen before? He comes to LA and the ep deals with him trying to get away from the enormous responsibility that being involved with the Slayers demanded of him. He just doesn't think he's cut out for it. And LA, being newly, slightly evil-free is the perfect place. One way to go would be to have the new vamp that killed his slayers follow him there for some reason. I think maybe a better and less cliche way to go would be to never see that vamp (it was dusted or it got away back in England). Instead, Andrew and Angel are dealing with some other vamps in LA - ones that are killing other girls or something. And Andrew has to confront this fear or something.
And yeah, I can see the Wes parallels. The problem is we're dealing with a character that is working with slayers, like Wes, and we want him to become a regular, like Wes. So Slayers really can't be ignored, and it might be impossible to get away from parallels at first. We just need to create an arc very different from Wes's's.
But anyway, Andrew falling in love with a Slayer is kind of interesting. Although so many people seemed really pissed that Andrew didn't seem gay in "The Girl in Question." Frankly, I've seen him as someone who falls in love but sex was never a big thing with him. He could be bi. I really have a hard time picturing Andrew falling in love with a slayer. So that's the drawback for me. But it might be feasible. Also, it would give a good parallel between him and Angel. Of course, now that Angel has had to get over Buffy, it might be kinda hard to emphasize that parallel. Doyle, help us!
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