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Post by Joss on Aug 5, 2004 0:02:25 GMT
Originally proposed by Inyan:[/b]
There is too much good in the world.
So I think it would have some sort of effect on human champions; like fire fighters policeman etc.
So I was thinking of an episode were this really great cop ( he's cop of the year or something ) starts getting faster and stronger. He realises this and starts going out at night dressed as a super hero. He starts taking bigger and bigger risks. He eventually runs into Angel dusting some vamps a couple of times or something but he mistakes him as just another murderer and treis to go after Angel. Angel escapes but now worries about what will hapen to this guy if he runs into some less sympathetic demons. So angel starts shadowing him. And one night this guy runs into real trouble and Angel steps in to help. The guy realises that Angel is a good guy. At some point during the fight Angel seems to be in trouble and this guy steps in to help and gets killed. Angel loses it and killing the rest of the demons. The ep end with the gut left lying on the police headquaters steps.
This guy, who let's call Karl Goodman for now, should have first been introduced as he investigates the case in "Demon Woman"
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Post by Inyan on Aug 6, 2004 13:35:48 GMT
Good idea Joss.
I dont want this to be cheesy. This guy will be stong and fast compared to human standards, but nothing near demon standards. And his "costume" wont be any lame spandex or anything like that. It is just basically to keep his identity secret. I was thinking normal clothes and just a head scarf with eye holes in that covers the top of his face ( like Zorro ). I was thinking Cameron Mathison for the role.
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Post by Doyle on Aug 30, 2004 2:16:37 GMT
Originally proposed by Inyan: [/b] There is too much good in the world. So I think it would have some sort of effect on human champions; like fire fighters policeman etc. So I was thinking of an episode were this really great cop ( he's cop of the year or something ) starts getting faster and stronger. He realises this and starts going out at night dressed as a super hero. He starts taking bigger and bigger risks. He eventually runs into Angel dusting some vamps a couple of times or something but he mistakes him as just another murderer and treis to go after Angel. Angel escapes but now worries about what will hapen to this guy if he runs into some less sympathetic demons. So angel starts shadowing him. And one night this guy runs into real trouble and Angel steps in to help. The guy realises that Angel is a good guy. At some point during the fight Angel seems to be in trouble and this guy steps in to help and gets killed. Angel loses it and killing the rest of the demons. The ep end with the gut left lying on the police headquaters steps. [/quote] This feels a little too close to a similar story from Dark Angel and as is, we are already ripping off it's series finale by revealing Demons to the rest of the world. I like the idea though, but I don't think its a good fit without a serious ass (and I mean like 80%) revision. |
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Post by Joss on Aug 30, 2004 2:24:45 GMT
All right, let's start revising. What do you feel needs to be changed Doyle?
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Post by Inyan on Aug 30, 2004 9:13:00 GMT
Now that you mention it we are ripping off hteir season finale. CRAP. How the hell did that happen?
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Post by Doyle on Aug 30, 2004 10:23:38 GMT
All right, let's start revising. What do you feel needs to be changed Doyle? In my ever so humble opinon? A complete rewrite from the ground up would be a good start. It needs a twist or "hook" and I think killing the character off is too convenient and probably expected. I'm also not crazy about the use of the "oh, I thought you were a bad guy, my mistake, now I know better" formula. Even with these (and presumably, many other) changes, I don't know how tight a fit it would be for this season. Basically, what I really liked was: Originally proposed by Inyan: [/b] There is too much good in the world. So I think it would have some sort of effect on human champions; like fire fighters policeman etc. [/quote] I think it has potential, but I'm not sure it needs to be the focus of an episode. Cool shit in the background is nice too. |
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Post by Joss on Aug 30, 2004 22:00:56 GMT
Okay, let's start from there. I really didn't watch much Dark Angel so I don't know about it. I guess that it could work more as a background story for a couple of eps, like a maybe we could have this be one long B plot that extends in the background of several episodes.
And also it might be a good idea to not focus on one single person.It might be more interesting to show the effect on cops and firemen in general rather than on one single character.
Just two ideas I had. Please rip them apart all you want.
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Post by Doyle on Aug 31, 2004 3:56:08 GMT
How about just introducing this as a subplot in the backdrop of some of the earlier episodes and then when Tobit decides Angel needs to be taken out, have him enlist these "Powered Humans" rather than bring in another champion (like what we had originally planned for Groo)?
Seems to make sense that Tobit would rather use the humans (cannon fodder) than risk bringing another champion into the mix.
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Post by Drew on Aug 31, 2004 16:44:27 GMT
I get too much of a Holtz-what's her name vibe from this. I'm more inclined to think The Powers would punish Tobit for not knowing who Grace was and then the Powers send a vision to another conduit - someone that can come and take out Grace.
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Post by LizaP on Aug 31, 2004 20:27:35 GMT
I agree with Drew.
I don't see the Powers letting Grace run the g.a. unnoticed, and I don't see them letting Tobit try to destroy her - so Tobit has to manipulate someone else, someone who thinks they are fighting an evil entity, into trying to destroy Grace.
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Post by Doyle on Aug 31, 2004 20:43:30 GMT
I don't see the Powers letting Grace run the g.a. unnoticed, and I don't see them letting Tobit try to destroy her - so Tobit has to manipulate someone else, someone who thinks they are fighting an evil entity, into trying to destroy Grace. Thats still the same thing as I proposed above, the only difference is that they weren't "champions" but super-humans. And I really don't get where you people are thinking that the idea of Tobit recruiting a group of superhumans is too similar to Sahjan manipulating Holtz but having an episode where we are led to believe that a demon is murdering other demons only to find out that its a human (which is exactly what they did in "that old gang of mine") is somehow "ok".  |
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Post by Drew on Aug 31, 2004 21:24:18 GMT
No, it's Holtz and Josephine (was that her name?) we're thinking of. Josephine and the gang of pissed off humans going after Angel.
I haven't watched That Old Gang of Mine for awhile so have forgotten that they thought the killers were demons at first.
So I know this is the wrong thread, but if we're going to keep doing the Demon Woman ep I think we need to come up with a better and more original twist for the episode.
And wait, is this demon woman killing other demons or other humans? Or both? Maybe it should be both. Beginning of Act I, the fang gang discovers that the killer (whoever or whatever it is) is killing unfortunate demons. End of Act I, they discover the killer is killing humans and realize the killer (still unknown) is not making any distinctions.
Hmm...still not original enough. Um, I'm gonna repost these thoughts in the right thread.
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Post by Doyle on Aug 31, 2004 22:10:36 GMT
No, it's Holtz and Josephine (was that her name?) we're thinking of. Josephine and the gang of pissed off humans going after Angel. I believe her name was Justine, a reference to the literary figure from the Marquis De Sade's novel of the same name. Anyway, at this point we are talkign about two different things: humans wanting revenge vs. SUPER-humans trying to do good. To throw out the idea based on their origin is the same thing as eliminating any demon who doesn't originate from this world, for for that matter, even using demons as the antagonist on more than one occasion. |
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Post by Drew on Sept 2, 2004 17:47:15 GMT
Whatever. I think we will have sort've done the superpower humans in ep. 7 anyway so I'm not thrilled about the idea.
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Post by Doyle on Sept 2, 2004 19:43:52 GMT
What's episode 7?
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Post by Drew on Sept 2, 2004 22:00:49 GMT
It's the Chumps in the Night ep - not the title.
It'll have these humans in a school that teaches them to get in touch with their inner Vampyre (there's this whole school of thought - and a real school in San Francisco that does this). Because of the chaos, they gain powers that they were never able to attain. Weird, disturbing, crazy powers. see the thread in Ideas for more info.
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Post by Doyle on Sept 2, 2004 22:27:16 GMT
I forgot about that one. Then shouldn't you just throw out the "ulimated good" since their so similar?
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Post by Inyan on Sept 3, 2004 7:02:12 GMT
The theme of this episode, Demon woman and Chumps in the night, is the effect that the chaos is having on humans.
Maybe we could combine all three. With the common thread being the cop.
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Post by Drew on Sept 3, 2004 17:05:37 GMT
That's not really a theme - more a cause. Chumps, i feel, is good for a standalone. That'd be a lot to tackle in one ep and would probably come out pretty messed up.
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Post by Doyle on Sept 4, 2004 22:50:49 GMT
This should probably just be used as an idea in the background and shouldn't be any major plot point.
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