Your Thoughts on "Found"

[Drew]

Post thoughts, criticisms, praises, etc. for "Found" here.

[angelusfan]

Great ep love how you brought Nina and Angel back together. I really like the part were Roger understands that Wes grew up a lot and how he miss it. However one big thing I notice was a lot of Grammar problems but I got the gist. I'm not claiming to be any good with grammar but some were way out there in left field. Other than that good ep. Keep at it. ;D

[Monster Zero]

Ah, another series that reunites Nina and Angel! Glad to see I'm not the only person who liked the possibilities of putting them two back together...

[Drew]

Whoa! Where are people getting the impression that they're back together? IF anything, we're saying the opposite. When she says Angel has to make the hard calls but she never thought she'd be one of them, that's basically the end of it.
That's what I thought. Please let us know if we've given the wrong impression.
And sorry about any grammar problems. I thought I fixed them all.

[Joss]

Yeah, it seems like we didn't get our message accross well enough here. This is how I see it: I believe that one of the most important things about this episode was how Angel and Nina's romance was dead. Once they had this love but because of Angel's actions it died, it was gone. Another consequence of Angel's actions of going against the Senior Partners. And in the end Angel accepts this. He helps Nina and then walks away when she is surrounded by Oz, Jack, and this new group of people that she cares for. Angel was once the world for her, but he gave that up and now he understands that he can't go back.

At least that is how I see it.

Plus, Angel Alone= More fun for writers (us)

[angelusfan]

Man, I thought yall were going to have them start over and learn from their misstakes. Guess I read it wrong. Dang it, Angel and Nina were a cute couple.

[Doyle]

Okay, maybe I've taken what you wrote the wrong way in that last post Joss, but it's a little unfair to blame the reader for not "getting" what you were trying to say. It's not a lone isolated reader who was confused, but at the very least TWO seperate people. In fact, the first two to respond to the episode. Heck, if I didn't have prior knowledge to the outcome I may have been confused myself. My point is, live and learn. Rather than tell someone they misunderstood your intent, examine what you wrote and figure out how you could have made your point more clear for next time. There's nothing worse than having to explain the meaning of your writing. Chalk this one up to experience.

Anyway, as for a "review" of sorts....this is a tough one. I thought episode 1 was near broadcast quality. And I mean that seriously. Episode 2 had some shining moments keeping up a certain level of quality that if far above average (and you pulled it together in a pinch to boot) but episode 3 was an absolute chore for me to get through. The characters dialogue seemed really "off" and even strange. The Nina section of the story felt thrown together and tacked on, which is bad as it takes up a huge chunk (if not the majority) of the episode. I honestly can't believe it made it out of the preliminary outlining phase. What happened to quality control measures that were set up? You should never let a deadline dictate the quality of your work on something like this. You're not getting paid, you have no real bosses, take the time you need to make the episode you want to make.

What's really upsetting is the Roger/Angel interaction. I didn't buy it. Any of it. It felt scripted and forced. Perhaps I just had too great of expectations for the scene but I feel that this could (and should) have really shined and gave us something from these two characters. It didn't.

Now, I was around for preliminary plotting and I know a lot of the ideas and concepts floating around at that time. There was some really great stuff there. Where did it all go?

This is just my personal opinon, but I really think you guys are capable of much better than this. Actually I know you can. See "Winning". See "Role Play". Those are great and definitely examples I refer to people of what a fan-fic can be.

Best wishes, and looking forward to "Our Days of..."

[Joss]

Guest-Doyle said:

Okay, maybe I've taken what you wrote the wrong way in that last post Joss, but it's a little unfair to blame the reader for not "getting" what you were trying to say. It's not a lone isolated reader who was confused, but at the very least TWO seperate people. In fact, the first two to respond to the episode. Heck, if I didn't have prior knowledge to the outcome I may have been confused myself. My point is, live and learn. Rather than tell someone they misunderstood your intent, examine what you wrote and figure out how you could have made your point more clear for next time. There's nothing worse than having to explain the meaning of your writing. Chalk this one up to experience.

Okay, I see where you're going and you're right. On my last post I did sound a lot like I was trying to say, "Listen you idiots, this is the right way to look at this." This was not my intention. And I'm sorry for that. I was just trying to put up some information and I really did say it in a way that sounds rude. My bad, I'll try to make sure that it doesn't happen again.

[Doyle]

Don't sweat it, it's a knee-jerk reaction we are all guilty of at times. You have every right to explain your work if you wish, just never let yourself fall into the trap of defending it. I do that myself sometimes and eventually have to snap to the realization that if I'm having to defend my work then I missed my mark. It happens to the best of us.

[Monster Zero]

Drew said:

Whoa! Where are people getting the impression that they're back together? IF anything, we're saying the opposite.

*raises hand*

um, i haven't actually read the episode yet, I was just going off what angelusfan said! so, um, sorry for making Joss think he'd given people the wrong idea.

On a side note, good point by Doyle - it's very easy to jump to defend your work if you see people's feedback and they're getting the wrong idea, I've also done it myself!

[Joss]

Monster said:

um, i haven't actually read the episode yet, I was just going off what angelusfan said! so, um, sorry for making Joss think he'd given people the wrong idea.

That's why I put up that this board contains spoilers in its description.

And don't worry about that.

[angelusfan]

Monster said:

um, i haven't actually read the episode yet, I was just going off what angelusfan said! so, um, sorry for making Joss think he'd given people the wrong idea.

Now see that make me feel even more embarassed Cause I thought they were going to get to together. And it make me feel bad that someone else was wrong on my account.

[LizaP]

Well, the problem with the grammar is probably mine, and I also thought it wasn't clear that Angel left Nina to Jack - but nadda big deal. My problem was continuity (BIG hint to the producers to let the writers see all the pending episodes here) because I didn't know what was going to be important in the following episode.

Otherwise, hit me with your best shot. I can take it!

[ThePowersThatBe]

I have to agree with LizaP on the continuity issue; it's very hard to keep the story tight if you're missing major chunks of the big picture!

I feelyour pain, Liza, believe me...

[Doyle]

I seem to remember an episode outline thread for that very purpose. Isn't it still around?

[Everlong]

Guest-Doyle said:

I seem to remember an episode outline thread for that very purpose. Isn't it still around?

Yeah in the Approved Ideas section it has an outline for the first nine episodes. I'm able to see it and i'm not even a writer. Well not yet since my name isn't in the Writing Staff thread. But you get my point. The info is there.

Now I got that Nina and Angel were parting company but I don't really know how much of that was because I already knew that. Maybe it's because I can visualise these things. The image of Angel walking away would be clear enough if this was actually filmed. Other than that, Doyle echos a lot of my sentiments. I've nothing really more to say. Hoping for the best from ep 4.

[Drew]

Yeah, there's that section - and it is still accurate for the next few eps. We should probably urge writers to look at that more than we have. In all the hustle and bustle it sort've got forgotten - at least by me.

[Inyan]

Hey Everlong, Is the chic in your Raven Sig the gal from "Birds of Prey"?

[Everlong]

Inyan said:

Hey Everlong, Is the chic in your Raven Sig the gal from "Birds of Prey"?

Yep. It was decided that she'd be a perfect Raven.

[Inyan]

OOOH, Love her!