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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 0:55:31 GMT
Maybe we could bring Andrew in to "set up shop" as everyone believes Angel & Co. are dead?
That could be a fun story, and if we so choose, we could integrate Andrew into the group or send him packing depending on what we want to do.
It makes sense, Buffy knows the kind of hell underneath the surface in L.A. and would know the importance of having someone there. Just turns out that someone wouldnt be needed in the first place as Angel is alive and well.
This would have to be real early on in the season, but if we did want to bring Andrew in as a regular (i'm not sure what everyone's -or even my own- thoughts are on that) and it would help beef up our cast right away.
As it stands we only have 3 regulars since "Grace" is only supposed to be recurring at first....or are we still going with that idea?
EDIT: I was re-reading the thread and Puppetcancer actually had this idea of bringing Andrew in to "pick up the pieces" first, sorry P!
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 10, 2004 5:59:44 GMT
no problem, Doyle. again, I think maybe bring Andrew and some others like Giles, a slayer we've seen b4(dana?) maybe willow, whatever, in, as the newly established counsel , or whatever theyre doing over there would work maybe.
Like we said, they think Angel and everyone is dead, and they come, trying to somewhat restore order, depending what state the city's in.
and like established last year, these two opposing forces are no longer on the same sides. Taking the W&H deal is something scoobies would never do, and I can see them being upset with Angel, as this chaos(or whatevers gonna be decided) will be his fault
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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 7:03:22 GMT
no problem, Doyle. again, I think maybe bring Andrew and some others like Giles, a slayer we've seen b4(dana?) maybe willow, whatever, in, as the newly established counsel , or whatever theyre doing over there would work maybe. Like we said, they think Angel and everyone is dead, and they come, trying to somewhat restore order, depending what state the city's in. and like established last year, these two opposing forces are no longer on the same sides. Taking the W&H deal is something scoobies would never do, and I can see them being upset with Angel, as this chaos(or whatevers gonna be decided) will be his fault I'm going to say no on Dana. I think, for the shape we last saw her, its way to early to have her functioning even remotely normal. The damage to her mind wasn't mystical, it was her tragic past, therefore its not something that the slayers can easily just fix. Giles is a strong possibility. I'd say leave Willow out, til we need to bring her in for the Fred/Illy split (if we go that route). I'd like to avoid the slayers if possible, and just have Andrew "setting up shop, making arrangements" when we see him rather than have the full army in tow, but I don't know how realistic that is. I just wish we could avoid the slayers if possible. There is running with continuity and then there is being exploitive and we need to keep on our toes not to cross that line.
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 10, 2004 7:09:45 GMT
I'm going to say no on Dana. I think, for the shape we last saw her, its way to early to have her functioning even remotely normal. The damage to her mind wasn't mystical, it was her tragic past, therefore its not something that the slayers can easily just fix. Giles is a strong possibility. I'd say leave Willow out, til we need to bring her in for the Fred/Illy split (if we go that route). I'd like to avoid the slayers if possible, and just have Andrew "setting up shop, making arrangements" when we see him rather than have the full army in tow, but I don't know how realistic that is. I just wish we could avoid the slayers if possible. There is running with continuity and then there is being exploitive and we need to keep on our toes not to cross that line. yeah, I dont think Andrew would be setting up show. (realistically) I dont see him being a part of this team I also dont see Willow "splitting" them. why would they want to do that in the first place ?
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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 7:13:16 GMT
yeah, I dont think Andrew would be setting up show. (realistically) I dont see him being a part of this team I also dont see Willow "splitting" them. why would they want to do that in the first place ? Actually, I thought Andrew would be perfect....to get him out of their hair. lol. Maybe as a trial by fire type thing, to see if he really is ready to strike out and do something. As for Willow splitting them....ask Jeff Bell, he's the one who mentioned it.
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Post by PuppetCancer on Jun 10, 2004 7:18:59 GMT
get him out of WHOs hair? the counsel?
I dont think Giles'd send him to two vampires
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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 7:22:08 GMT
get him out of WHOs hair? the counsel? I dont think Giles'd send him to two vampires Yeah, the counsel and Buffy is who I was referring. Although I only meant in reference to him setting up shop, not hooking up with the fang gang, but if we wanted, I'm sure we could make it happen. It's up for debate. I'm quite neutral and my opinion varies on what we do with Oz.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 9:54:43 GMT
There is now a seperate topic for Andrew, please move all further discussion involving that character to there. Thanks.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 10:03:19 GMT
The majority of comments on Groo seem to be positive. If we were to bring him back in, how would you like to see him used? It seems certain characters are dominating this topic and others have yet to be given a second glance...now, as it stands, would it be fair to say that we can officially write the following off from appearing in S6? Gwen Raiden
Faith (surprised no ones really brought her up)
Anne Just trying to move things along.
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Post by Drew on Jun 10, 2004 21:52:14 GMT
I'm surprised about Faith, too. She might fit in better once we have things more established so I wouldn't write her off. She often works well in the show when she can parallel Angel's fight for atonement.
Gwen - I think they might have wanted her for S5 before they were forced to retool the show. Then she just didn't fit. I say we don't consider her.
Anne. . .I got nothing.
As for Groo, I LOVED you idea, Doyle, for bringing Groo in as someone sent by the Powers to take out Angel. Just to reiterate, the way we had talked about that happening was: Grace, the former PTB, is there to help Angel against the will of the Powers (but they don't know she is the former Power). Alan, Angel's new link to the PTB, is steering Angel away from some grand "truth". When Alan finds out who Grace used to be, the Powers need to stop her and Angel. So they send Groo - who possibly has a team of people - who may or may not get killed. I really like this idea. And then Alan would feed Groo lies about Cordy's death and implicate Angel in it. It seems to me like a major theme emerging about this season is Angel dealing with his guilt and major feelings of loss from what happened last season. I like it. It makes it all the better that at the end of the season we will have him - not stopping bad from happening, but taking the initiative to make something really good come to light.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 21:57:18 GMT
I think it was Fury who said they didn't plan to bring Gwen back because they made her too powerful or something...
I'm cool with keeping her out as well as Anne.
Faith has always worked better on Angel than on Buffy in my opinion, but fitting her into this season....it could be tough. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if anybody comes up with anything worthwhile.
I'm thinking that we've pulled enough people from the past to make appearances: Willow (not confirmed), Andrew, Oz, Groo.....
EDIT: Forgot to mention this...
IF we do give Groo a team, I think it should mirror the Fang Gang circa the beginning of S3 -when the were probably at their happiest....just to play off the "what he has lost" and "mirror" angles.
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Post by chris on Jun 10, 2004 22:00:54 GMT
the problem with bringing all these cool characters back this season is it could end up with a new cameo per episode and very little time for creating new characters which I think would be a shame! Just my opinion.
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Post by Drew on Jun 10, 2004 22:22:54 GMT
My sort of feelings on cameos are:
Andrew (1 ep) Oz (one big ep and then recurring occassionally) Groo (becomes a regular about halfway into season) Willow (leave her out)
Then new regular characters (almost or right from the beginning) would be Grace and Alan (he's yet to get real name or a decision about whether or not to keep him).
Just what I'm thinking. I don't think it's too disruptive to the new characters.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 22:43:43 GMT
I'm not too sure about Groo becoming a regular. Maybe have him figure out he is being manipulated and confront Alan about it only to be killed? That works in Joss's character arc format, where he brings a character back to where they started from before killing them. In this case, returning Groo to once again being a manipulated dupe as he was in Pylea. I think it would become to predictable for him to be misled, see the err of his ways, and join up with team angel to fight he good fight. Of course, the same can probably be said about my own scenario above. I dunno then.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 10, 2004 22:52:30 GMT
Alan (he's yet to get real name or a decision about whether or not to keep him). We do need to give Alan a name, and soon. As for "keeping" him....I thought we were in agreement to use him like Hamilton and have him in a recurring role throughout the season. Again, going with the whole "double/mirror" thing, it works.
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Post by Drew on Jun 14, 2004 3:25:08 GMT
Oh yes! Definite agreement about keeping Alan.
I'll think about Groo some more.
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Post by Doyle on Jun 14, 2004 3:39:51 GMT
Oh yes! Definite agreement about keeping Alan. I'll think about Groo some more. I've always wanted Groo to come back, but I have to admit that I'm concerned that I'm letting "fanboy" take over from "writer" on the subject. We have a reason for him to be there, but is our reason stretching things? That's my concern. Are we using Groo only for the sake of using Groo?
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Post by Drew on Jun 14, 2004 4:10:08 GMT
I've always wanted Groo to come back, but I have to admit that I'm concerned that I'm letting "fanboy" take over from "writer" on the subject. We have a reason for him to be there, but is our reason stretching things? That's my concern. Are we using Groo only for the sake of using Groo? I don't think so. I mean, if TPTB will be sending someone to take out Angel, then why not someone that is strong, that has had a link to TPTB (Cordy, kinda), that probably is still fighting with a group of his own (?), and that has a history with Angel that can be tensed up a great deal with the simple mention of the death of someone they both loved. Those are just my thoughts. Others?
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Post by Jaxxson on Jun 14, 2004 9:48:43 GMT
If the powers were to send someone after Angel to try and Kill him why not send someone who has fought with Angel that would know what his fighting style is like becuase Groo was an worrier where he came from and seeing Angel fight a few time he had to of pick up something my question is, is the power lieing to Groo about what happen to Cordy or are we going to have it that what ANgel is doing this Season in the eyes of the Powers he has turned aginst them and they don't know if he is fighting the good fight or if W&H had realy goten to him
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